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2 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2012 - 4:44PM #21
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Jun 12, 2012 -- 6:54PM, Kwinters wrote:


Jun 12, 2012 -- 1:38PM, Girlchristian wrote:


This isn't that surprising when you look at the rape statistics by country. In the UK(England and Wales) there were 24.1 reported rapes per 100,000, in the UK (Northern Ireland) there were 22.3 reported rapes per 100,000, in the US there were 28.6 reported rapes per 100,000, in New Zealand there were 30.9 per 100,000, and many more in other countries. If rape is that high in countries where there is no war or fighting it stands to reason that it will be high in war too.




It is not surprising if we assume there is no difference between the number of sexual predators in the general population and the number of sexual predators in the military.


I would hope that our service women would be safer in the presence of our service men.




That would be my hope as well. I am most disappointed.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 17, 2012 - 9:30PM #22
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Jun 12, 2012 -- 7:06PM, Girlchristian wrote:

What needs to happen is more education on how to avoid risky situations and anyone found guilty of rape should be prosecuted to the greatest extent possible (IMO, rape should come with a mandatory life in prison without parole sentence).



Your first statement implies that victims are somehow contributory to the crime.  As though a prostitute or even a woman in a provocative dress "had it coming."  Your lack of understanding of what rape is (its about power and control, not sex) is astounding. And we're talking about our service personnel, for crying out loud!


You second statement suggests that rape be punished the same as murder.  The principle of unintended consequences says that this means more rape victims will not be left alive to testify against their attacker.





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2 years ago  ::  Jun 18, 2012 - 9:44AM #23
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Jun 15, 2012 -- 9:16PM, Fodaoson wrote:

Just commenting  and posting thoughts about the Total subject of combat situation behaviors.  Had to deal with them for many years..  


 


A male soldier in the U S. Military is more likely to be criminally assaulted while in the US  than being killed in Combat while  in Afghanistan .In Afghanistan Females are not in combat MOS/AFSCs/Ratings , They do leave live among Male soldiers who  do experience combat and  are aggressive. Combat increases the production of male hormones  as a response to danger and those hormone can influence post combat  feelings.   Islam  does not produce   many prostitutes and this war and Iraq are the first American wars that has not produced numbers   brothels close to American camps  and is not producing “war brides”    Vietnam produced 100,000 American-Vietnamese children and thousands of war brides, as did Korea and WWII in Europe
Occupied  Japan produced  thousands of war brides. 


Yes rape is a problem but probably not just in Afghanistan and the social  reasons are myriad.        



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Thank you for the post, I can understand what you are saying.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 18, 2012 - 12:18PM #24
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Jun 17, 2012 -- 9:30PM, Unworthyone wrote:


Jun 12, 2012 -- 7:06PM, Girlchristian wrote:

What needs to happen is more education on how to avoid risky situations and anyone found guilty of rape should be prosecuted to the greatest extent possible (IMO, rape should come with a mandatory life in prison without parole sentence).



Your first statement implies that victims are somehow contributory to the crime.  As though a prostitute or even a woman in a provocative dress "had it coming."  Your lack of understanding of what rape is (its about power and control, not sex) is astounding. And we're talking about our service personnel, for crying out loud!


As someone that has survived rape, I'm very well aware what it's about, but there are things that women can do to protect themselves (including not being alone with men in area where no one would hear them if they screamed...if you're at home (not in a war zone) women can avoid walking on dark streets by themselves, leaving windows open, etc...and that's not blaming them that's being realistic. Has nothing to do with what you wear. Since we can't just kill anyone that might be a rapist, being safe and cautious can prevent women from being raped.   


You second statement suggests that rape be punished the same as murder.  The principle of unintended consequences says that this means more rape victims will not be left alive to testify against their attacker.


Yes, I've heard the arguments and I understand them, but I don't believe that anyone that rapes another person should be set free.





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2 years ago  ::  Jun 19, 2012 - 10:52AM #25
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I don't disagree that education is important.  We taught my daughter all about 'roofies' and what not before she went off to college.


The problem with the charge of rape is that the mere accusation can ruin lives.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 10:44AM #26
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Jun 19, 2012 -- 10:52AM, Unworthyone wrote:


I don't disagree that education is important.  We taught my daughter all about 'roofies' and what not before she went off to college.


The problem with the charge of rape is that the mere accusation can ruin lives.




Being raped ruins lives.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 12:40PM #27
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Most criminal activity affects the victim negatively. That is the reason it is outlawed and prosecuted. No one on this board has spoken in favor of rape no one has claimed it is not bad.


Rape is criminal and punished by means equal to murder.   Arguing over the severity of rape is not  needed; what is needed is ways to  remove the factors leading to rape.   

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 1:21PM #28
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Jun 22, 2012 -- 12:40PM, Fodaoson wrote:

Most criminal activity affects the victim negatively. That is the reason it is outlawed and prosecuted. No one on this board has spoken in favor of rape no one has claimed it is not bad.


Rape is criminal and punished by means equal to murder.   Arguing over the severity of rape is not  needed; what is needed is ways to  remove the factors leading to rape.   


I believe and I may need to be corrected but the problem with the rapes in the military is that there has been reported an atmosphere of don't tell if you want a career in the military.     There is a high level of fear of retaliation and intimidation present in the miliary that needs to be addressed and may be the only solution in the long run.    Maybe the military has not caught up to the problems inherent in having women serve with men,  I don't know.     But from what I get on all this reporting of the rising statistics of women being raped are that they have little to no recourse except to resign as well as carry the trauma of the assault(S).        and as far as contractors in the middle east there is even less recourse as employees are made to sign off on pressing any criminal matters and agree to arbitration in case of rape or other criminal acts.


My point,  is not that rapes happen,  or the reason rapes happen or who had it coming or who didn't have prostitutes at hand to relieve the stress.      It is the level of intimidation that is the scandal.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 22, 2012 - 8:18PM #29
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Most men seem capable of restraint.  I think they are the ones who need to go after the ones lacking self control. 

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