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12 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 2:17PM #11
Erey
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Jun 11, 2012 -- 11:00PM, fodaoson wrote:


If I had lived in Wisconsin I would not have voted to remove the sitting Governor from office . He did nothing illegal or immoral.


We had a recall election a year ago of  the mayor and council members. I had not voted for the mayor or two of the council members but did vote for recall.  They had annexed an area in accordance with state law. Some   people did not like it Recall is for  crimes and misdemeanors  not politics and policy 




 


I agree!  Most of the time recall elections are nothing more than partisan-overkill.  IMO this recall nonsense makes the Democratic Party of Wisconsin look ridiculous.  The fact is most of the people of Wisconsin agreed with the govenor.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 4:14PM #12
fodaoson
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Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:37AM, catboxer wrote:


Jun 11, 2012 -- 11:00PM, fodaoson wrote:


If I had lived in Wisconsin I would not have voted to remove the sitting Governor from office . He did nothing illegal or immoral.




Of course he did nothing illegal, but that's because he and his faction write the laws.


As for the question of whether he did anything immoral, that depends on how one feels about public employee unions, and whether they have right to bargain collectively with their employers.


If Obama and the Democrats aren't willing to take up the cause of workers and take a firm stand on this issue specifically, who do they represent? Working people in the US are fighting a class war waged against by the people who funded Scott Walker and his crew, but the Dems are pretending it's politics as usual.


What I find unacceptable is the Democrats' reliance on rules and protocol when it suits them.




“Him and his cronies” did not write the  anti-corruption laws, he was not abusing the office for self-enrichment,  and he  was  nat accused of high crimes(felonies) or misdemeanors.


In order to balance the state budget costs had to be cut and controlled.  Right to work and closed shops are political issues that influence the cost of labor. Union labor is no longer a workers issue, when union Presidents makes 10 times the average salary of its membership something is awry       

“I seldom make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
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12 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 5:25PM #13
Jasr
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Jun 12, 2012 -- 4:14PM, fodaoson wrote:


“Him and his cronies” did not write the  anti-corruption laws, he was not abusing the office for self-enrichment,  and he  was  nat accused of high crimes(felonies) or misdemeanors.


In order to balance the state budget costs had to be cut and controlled.  Right to work and closed shops are political issues that influence the cost of labor. Union labor is no longer a workers issue, when union Presidents makes 10 times the average salary of its membership something is awry       





I agree that this was probably not an appropriate use of recall...and I suspect that many Wisconsinites felt the same way.


However I do not agree that Walker fell afoul of labor for trying to control state budgets. He extracted significant concessions from public employees through their unions, and then went after their right to organize.


It was not about balancing state budgets, on which he already had labor's collaboration. It was about attacking workers' rights, needlessly, at the behest of a very powerful and very wealthy business lobby, most of which was outside of the state.

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12 months ago  ::  Jun 12, 2012 - 6:53PM #14
catboxer
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Very well put, Jasr.


I think of it as Scott Walker saying "All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive --make your time!"

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