Jun 22, 2012 -- 10:30AM, browbeaten wrote:

You mean an African American can't wipe his black off?

Nobody is so bound by his religion as we are bound by our body.

Or?

Jun 22, 2012 -- 12:03AM, Shusha wrote:

Non-Israelis, like the Sudanese, who are not children of Israelis are distinquished from non-Jews, with the ones determined to be "most Jewish" getting the specific right to citizenship...

The Right of Return laws pertain to immigration but not specifically to citizenship.  

...over non-Jews born within the borders of what was to become Israel in 1948.

Place of birth is irrelevant to Israeli citizenship law.  For everyone.  As it is in most countries in the world.  This is just a strawman. 

Yet this is overlooked by citizens of Israel who have left Israel at a state of war and are denied return because they non-Jewish.

In 1948 50-80% of the Arab citizens of Israel left fearing reprisals as well as being expelled and transferred. Unlike many of the Jewish elite which left and went to the US and returned shortly after retaining their Israeli citizenship, Arabs were denied because they were not Jewish.

Place of birth is irrelevant to citzenship I agree but but State succession laws factor generations and the Arabs had generations for the most part which were as long as Jews.

However I digress, I do think there's hypocrisy here, illegal immigrants are being pushed out because they are not Jewish. If they were Ethiopian and Eritrean Jews it would be a totally different story.

When the state of war ends, then we can talk.  They are not denied return because they are non-Jewish -- they are denied return because they pose a threat to the State of Israel. 

Nonsense.

The reason why they are declared a threat to Israel by the the right wing of Israel is because of the fact they pose a demographic threat because they are non-Jewish and that defies the notion of a Jewish State.

There is no evidence to suggest that Arabs pose a violent threat to the State of Israel considering the vast majority of Israeli-Arabs are peaceful and those that have been naturalised between 48 and 2012 have not committed violent acts against Israel.

The right to self-defence against hostile entities also exists in law.

Referring to a whole people as hostile by religious affiliation and ethnicity is not only false but ignorant amounting to direct prejudice.

Illegal immigrants are being pushed out because they are ILLEGAL.  This really is not rocket science

And my point is that they would not be illegal if they were Jewish. It's a double standards and a discriminatory factor of Israeli State Law.

Jun 22, 2012 -- 6:48PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Stop complaining about Israel's immigration policies as they concern illegal immigrants. If you do not like them, you could at least answer the questions:

How would you suggest Israel deal with the problem of illegal immigration?

Is your suggestion the same for the USA?

Is it the same for Europe?

If not why not?

If you have nothing to add to the discussion, why are you discussing the question?  

Rocket,

The reason why I don't like Israel's immigration policies are because they are inherently prejudice.

Secondly to do with illegal immigrants, apply a just law to them.

As somebody with a background in immigration and border agency, every individual is different, there maybe reasons for asylum, there maybe not.