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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2012 - 9:29AM #1
ted08721
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The special envoy from the  reiterated the international community’s view that settlements in occupied Palestinian territory are illegitimate.
 This has been repeated many times at this forum, why is it everybody else in the world realises this.

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2012 - 10:23AM #2
rocketjsquirell
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Ted we have been through this before.


Israeli towns, villages, cities, boroughs, etc... which you call settlements are 100% legal under internaqtional law, assuming that you apply the same standards to Israel which you apply to all other coutnries. Do you do that Ted?


Israel's use of land for settlements conforms to all rules and norms of international law.


www.aish.com/jw/me/48939282.html



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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2012 - 12:22PM #3
SherriMunnerlyn
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Rocket, You ignore international law, like the 2004 International Court of Justice Opinion that holds East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza are occupied and that Opinion also holds the Israeli settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. These  500,000+ illegal settlers/squatters need to pack their bags and leave the land they illegally occupy. Sherri

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2012 - 3:09PM #4
LeahOne
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And who are those people on that 'international court'?   Are they completely fair and impartial?


And the vidence you have for that is?????

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 09, 2012 - 3:54PM #5
rocketjsquirell
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Sherri


The ICJ is not a court in any recognizable way. It has no jurisdiction over the question (in fact it has no jurisdiction over anything at all. Its jurisdiction requires consent, so at best it is an arbitration board). The ICJ gives advisory opinions something no court is empowered to do (therefore at best it is a think tank). You are a lawyer. You should have learned what is and what is not proper jurisprudence. If you need help in this regard, please go back to law school and take a first year civil procedure course. Obviously you missed that one.  


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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 2:32AM #6
NahumS
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Here's a quote from the article cited: (emphasis mine): www.aish.com/jw/me/48939282.html


"Israel's use of land for settlements conforms to all rules and norms of international law. Privately owned lands are not requisitioned for the establishment of settlements. In addition, all settlement activity comes under the supervision of the Supreme Court of Israel (sitting as the High Court of Justice) and every aggrieved inhabitant of the territories, including Palestinian residents, can appeal directly to this Court


Any political claim -- including the one regarding settlements -- should never be used to justify terrorist attacks on innocent civilians.

The Fourth Geneva Convention was certainly not intended to prevent individuals from living on their ancestral lands or on property that had been illegally taken from them. Many present-day Israeli settlements have been established on sites that were home to Jewish communities in the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) in previous generations, in an expression of the Jewish people's deep historic and religious connection with the land. Many of the most ancient and holy Jewish sites, including the Cave of the Patriarchs (the burial site of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) and Rachel's Tomb, are located in these areas. Jewish communities, such as in Hebron (where Jews lived until they were massacred in 1929), existed throughout the centuries. Other communities, such as the Gush Etzion bloc in Judea, were founded before 1948 under the internationally endorsed British Mandate.


The right of Jews to settle in all parts of the Land of Israel was first recognized by the international community in the 1922 League of Nations Mandate for Palestine. The purpose of the Mandate was to facilitate the establishment of a Jewish national home in the Jewish people's ancient homeland. Indeed, Article 6 of the Mandate provided for "close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands not required for public use."


For more than a thousand years, the only time that Jewish settlement was prohibited in the West Bank was under the Jordanian occupation (1948-1967) that resulted from an armed invasion. During this period of Jordanian rule, which was not internationally recognized, Jordan eliminated the Jewish presence in the West Bank (as Egypt did in the Gaza Strip) and declared that the sale of land to Jews was a capital offense. It is untenable that this outrage could invalidate the right of Jews to establish homes in these areas, and accordingly, the legal titles to land that had already been acquired remain valid to this day.


In conclusion, the oft-repeated claim regarding the illegality' of Israeli settlements has no legal or factual basis under either international law or the agreements between Israel and the Palestinians. Such charges can only be regarded as politically motivated. "


 


"International" opinion may be against Jewish settlement on land captured by Israel in 1967 - but opinion is not law. Any disputes regarding political control of these territories should be and can be resolved through negotiations.


The very demand that the area must be emptied of Jews is the voice of ethnic cleansing. Any regime that demands this puts itself outside the family of democratic countries. Any individual who does so removes himself/herself from legitmate debate.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 4:02AM #7
shmuelgoldstein
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Jun 9, 2012 -- 9:29AM, ted08721 wrote:

The special envoy from the  reiterated the international community’s view that settlements in occupied Palestinian territory are illegitimate.
 This has been repeated many times at this forum, why is it everybody else in the world realises this.

occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2012/06/...



I agree with the special envoy from the that the should be removed from the right away.
(it's fun writing like this, saves typing!!)


UN settlements are illegal and must be removed.


There are many UNWRA settlements throughout the Holy Land. They Must Go.



 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 7:14AM #8
BDboy
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Jun 9, 2012 -- 10:23AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Ted we have been through this before.


Israeli towns, villages, cities, boroughs, etc... which you call settlements are 100% legal under internaqtional law, assuming that you apply the same standards to Israel which you apply to all other coutnries. Do you do that Ted?


Israel's use of land for settlements conforms to all rules and norms of international law.


www.aish.com/jw/me/48939282.html






 


>>>>>>> Maybe in Mars but not in "mother earth".


Even the most visible cheer leader for Israel (AKA USA) also said it countless times that, settlelments are not legal under international law. This is the view of the UN as well.


Israel does not use land, It goes out to grab more lands from native non-Jews almost every year. IF this is "Legal", it has to be the ONLY "Ever expanding legal border" of the universe. Becasue it keeps taking over more lands from occupied non-Jewish population.


For more info, click on the link below.


 


U.S. Calls Israeli New Settlement Plans Disappointing




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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 11:41AM #9
NahumS
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The US can "call" whatever it wants. That doesn't make it so. There is nothing more legitimate in this world than the people of Israel living anywhere in their ancestral homeland. This is recognized by international law. (League of Nations, San Remo 1920 - look it up).


In the interest of peace, Israel has refrained from enlarging the borders of Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria for a decade, and all building takes place within the built-up areas of those communities. NO land is being expropriated - and "settlements" are not growing in area.


The Israeli Supreme Court has insisted that the gov't evacuate homes built on land claimed by Arab landowners - even though the homes were built in good faith and the "owners" have not proved ownership.


Israel removed all of its citizens, mostly by force, from flourishing communities that were built in the Gaza Strip (mostly on land that was ownerless, some on land owned by Jews prior to 1948) - and we all know the result.


The "settlement" issue was agreed to be left for the final-state agreements in the PLO-Israel accords - and now the PA won't even sit down to discuss peace until this issue is resolved to their satisfaction without negotiation. .


And yet we continue to hear the mantra of "illegality" - even though this is total falsehood.


It does not zseem that any of the limits that Israel has put on settlement activity in Judea and Samaria (or Gaza...) have yielded any positive results at all.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Jun 10, 2012 - 6:54PM #10
rocketjsquirell
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Ted, Sherri, and other perverters of International Law:


World Leaders Ignore International Law - Inciting antisemitism and anti-Zionism


www.mythsandfacts.org/article_view.asp?a...

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