Stardove, thanks for posting a powerful video. Sure knocks holes in the 'all blacks are anti-gay' myth that some people are trying to promulgate hereabouts.

Jun 12, 2012 -- 10:53PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:47PM, TENAC wrote:

Look at this as well.  I posted it back in the thread.

Ah yes, relying on LIESite for 'facts' again. No WONDER we do not believe (or trust) your posts.

Using your religious sites to back your reliigious opinions. Call me underwhelmed.

 

If Cummings said it, he said it.

EVERY Child -- ANY Child -- does BEST in Life when raised in an intact loving healthy FAMILY ...

If the two Parents being "Married" helps this along, then indeed GLBT Parents should be ALLOWED to "Marry" ...

Exactly so ...

Jun 12, 2012 -- 1:11PM, Cesmom wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 12:55PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 11:11AM, Cesmom wrote:

Children were brought up in response to the post about the state getting involved in marriage to protect it's own interests, so it is relevant to this portion of the discussion.

Just because not every same sex couple is interested in raising children doesn't mean that children are not relevant to the discussion.  The denial of marriage to same sex couples is not what's best for the children in those families.  That is a point worthy of discussion, whether you believe so or not.

I think "children were brought up" to derail this discussion - like they attempt to derail EVERY discussion of same-gender marriage - to be ONLY about the welfare of, in large part, NON-EXISTANT children.

Yes, some gay couples do have them. (And yes, those families also need the equal protections afforded to heterosexual families - and SOME here still insist this isn't about equal rights!!!) And yes, many heterosexual couples do not have any children. That is my very point. They are NOT a requirement of marriage.

So be it...maybe children were brought up to derail the discussion.  However, IMO, children are a very real part of the discussion, as they should be.

Jun 12, 2012 -- 10:56PM, Do_unto_others wrote:

Stardove, thanks for posting a powerful video. Sure knocks holes in the 'all blacks are anti-gay' myth that some people are trying to promulgate hereabouts.

It has never sounded in Wingoland that, wait for it, the NAACP recently endorsed marriage equality, as well as GEN Colin Powell. 

But ... Infamously ...

Not infrequently "an Exception PROVES The Rule," yes ... ???

But, hey ... !!! Interestingly, IF it were TRUE that one or two "HomoSexuals" HAVE successfully undergone "Reparative Therapy," and therefore THAT "Fact" indicates *something* about ALL "HomoSexuals," THEN wouldn't one or two "HomoSexuals" being faithfully successfully Monogamously MARRIED also therefore indicate *something* about ALL "HomoSexuals" and "Marriage" ... ???

"Take it from me, Babe ... You can't have it both Ways ... "

 -- "Jane," to "Jonas," in "Leap of Faith"

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:12AM, Cesmom wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:47PM, TENAC wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 9:18PM, Cesmom wrote:

Jun 12, 2012 -- 8:15PM, TENAC wrote:

It will take a while to look through, but certainly gives overwhelming credence to the concerns I posted regarding the former president of the APA.

Same-sex parenting and children’s outcomes: A closer examination of the American psychological association’s brief on lesbian and gay parenting 

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Don't tell me you honestly read the entire report.  Besides, it's one study intended to refute 59 others.  I'm not buying.  Overwhelming credence, it's not.

You are misreading the paper.

It is a paper on the APA study.  The APA (which in 2004) came out with the conclusion that there is no apparent harmful effects of ss parenting.  The APA paper pulled from the 59 studies listed in this paper.  Marks looks at the study, then the studies it pulls from and examines the variables that went into the study of the 59 studies.

I read a lot of it.  There is a lot of commonalities that surface to be flaws.

Read through the questions it poses of the studies.

Look at this as well.  I posted it back in the thread.

www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-preside...

I struggle with giving this guy credibility...he seems to contradict himself...

"Cummings’s position as a past president of the APA and as the author of the motion to remove homosexuality from the organization’s list of mental illnesses, parallels that of Dr. Robert Spitzer, past president of the American Psychiatric Association, who led the efforts there to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness two years earlier.  Spitzer also became critical of the American Psychiatric Association in the following decades and authored a study in 2000 indicating that “highly motivated” homosexuals could be successful in altering their sexual preferences through reparative therapy."

He motions to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses, then claims that it can be "cured" through reparative therapy.  Which is it?  Does he consider it a curable mental condition or does he consider it, as he stated earlier, "characterological"?

Regarding the paper on the APA studies, I read through a lot of it, too.  Certainly not all of it...it was ridiculously lengthy.  I didn't see overwhelming evidence to refute the study findings.  I saw a lot of criticism of the methodology that was used in some of the studies, and a reference to a single study that contradicted the 59 other studies referenced.  I'm still not overwhelmed.