Jun 26, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Ed.W wrote:

that they do not alter what it intrinsically is.

If you alter what it is before you will accept it,

Ed .. these two sentences are the crux of the argument that our liberal friends don't get.

The LGBT community does not want to enter into "Marriage" as it currently "IS" ... but rather, want to redifine it as they see fit.

Thus ... it is the center argument for my call to create a "union" of some sort that extends privileges, [the so called equal rights], without calling it marriage, because what they want is NOT marriage, but a legal status to access the privliges that are associated with marriage. 

That is the bare bones truth of it all.

This has nothing to do with homosexuals, afaiac.  They brought up the subject, but I don't need to deny them anything to defend it.

Jun 26, 2012 -- 7:56PM, Sigmund wrote:

Jun 26, 2012 -- 7:46PM, TENAC wrote:

I don't think the God of the bible intended for you or me to force our morals on anyone. I thanks he more intended that we show our morals by how we act, speak, and .......type. Are you up holding God's morality here? Ya think? My arguments against same sex marriage I have not use scripture at all. I base it purely on what has been the most stable family unit all of the world history. it's common sense really, but history back that up.

So what if it is the most stable family unit in all of world history? If that is true and you are so concerned about "stability" of the family, how will allowing more people to make that committment, destabilize marriage?

And I don't give a gnat fart in a hurricane about what you think about my Christian morality, that is for God to judge, not you.

Now Sig,

I gave no opinion of your morality, only God's and I asked in a question.  When someone wants to profess being a Christian, I think they should display those attributes as nearly as possible.  Its hard and I fail miserably, but this on ssm is a non starter with regard to Christian faith.

I tried to point out to our Leftist friends and homosexuals on the board regarding God created us and because He did, He certainly knows whats best for His creation.  When we choose to do otherwise, we do so at our own folly.

As far as the most stable family unit world history, you are implying we should seek something less?

Jun 26, 2012 -- 10:38PM, TENAC wrote:

I tried to point out to our Leftist friends and homosexuals on the board regarding God created us and because He did, He certainly knows whats best for His creation. 

You know this how?

Jun 26, 2012 -- 9:44PM, Sigmund wrote:

 

You never answered my question from Friday. Since you do not, as you stated, want homosexuals to "carry ALL the "privileges" of marriage", specifically which ones would you deny them and why?

I do not grant them the privilege or right to redefine Marriage for Society to fit their own model of what they think should be.  Why .. because it is not their right to define a concept for Society. .. that right is reserved to society itself.

As TH notes, Marriage "evolves" to fit society's view, not the otherway around.  This whole issue is not about Marriage evolving to fit society, but a group wishing to force Society to adopt their worldview.

Some .. like TH .. think that is "good".  Others, think it is bad.  MOST ... do not have strong enough feelings about the subject to really give a damn.  Thus, when a Leftist Government or Court installs its ideology into law, Some will Celebrate ... Some will Cry Foul ... but MOST just simply will not give a damn ... and say .. Oh well.  [that's not to say they approve of it, but it's simply not worth fighting ... it's defined as "apathy", and it is the downfall of every great society].