Ahh WELL TH ... I guess I have come to expect such.

The loudest of protesters against an argument are usually the most ignorant. 

For those who are uninformed ..... I would suggest that they read this article concerning the removal of homosexuality from the DSM-III.  You will find a lot of "poltical activism" involved, including riots at the APA meetings for 3 years before the change, .... as well as an interanl drive by interested parties to change the APA from within, without any scientific reason, ... pure political ... www.mindofmodernity.com/not-sick-the-197...

directly from the mouth of the man who spear-headed the change ........

"302.0 Sexual orientation disturbance (Homosexuality)

This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual orientation. This diagnostic category is distinguished from homosexuality, which by itself does not constitute a psychiatric disorder. Homosexuality per se is one form of sexual behavior and, like other forms of sexual behavior which are not by themselves psychiatric disorders, is not listed in this nomenclature of mental disorders.

In this paper, Spitzer basically states that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. He writes that “for a mental or psychiatric condition to be considered a psychiatric disorder, it must either regularly cause subjective distress, or regularly be associated with some generalized impairment in social effectiveness or functioning,” and because many homosexuals do not meet these criteria, homosexuality should not be considered an illness. Spitzer clearly understood that this change was in part a political action, stating that “we will be removing one of the justifications for the denial of civil rights to individuals whose only crime is that their sexual orientation is to members of the same sex.” However, he writes that the removal of the homosexuality diagnosis does not amount to “saying that it is ‘normal’ or as valuable as heterosexuality,” and maintains that “this change should in no way interfere with or embarrass those dedicated psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have devoted themselves to understanding and treating those homosexuals who have been unhappy with their lot.” The idea, in the end, was that if someone was bothered by their own homosexual thoughts, impulses, or behavior, the DSM still had them covered.

OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS, the internal forces of the APA, many of whom were gay, and all liberal and adhereing to the doctine of Social Justice, wiped the DSM clean of any reference to Homosexuality. .... in adherence to their political philosophy regarding civil rights, they completely eliminated any hint that homosexualty should be regarded as "abnormal".

The article ends with these very true statements .... by a Psychiatrist no doubt ....

At the same time, stories like this one makes it plain that the progress of certain disciplines may be driven just as much by personal and political factors as it is by actual scientific progress. ...... Some of the proposed changes seem to have more to do with a desire to remove a stigmatizing label than real “scientific” evidence.

Cheers.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 6:57PM, teilhard wrote:

***I was wondering when you would try to tie "HomoSexuality" to "Paedophilia" and "Sex Addiction" ... (I'm surprised you didn't also mention "Beastiality" ...) ...

Try again ...

 

Well, duh ...

Just about EVERYTHING in Human Life and Culture -- even in Science and Clinical Medicine -- has distinctly "Political" Aspects ...

THESE Days, e.g., Medicine and even Psychiatry and Psychology have been HUGELY influenced by "The Gospel of Better Living Through Chemistry": "Take this Pill. Yes, it has nasty Side Effects, but we have Pills for those, too ..."

Having worked for a few Years as a Mental Health Counselor in both in-Patient and out-Patient Clinical Settings I am VERY famiiar with the still-evolving "DSM" and the MANY Factors that go into its various Editions and Revisions ...

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:47PM, Bodean wrote:

Ahh WELL TH ... I guess I have come to expect such.

The loudest of protesters against an argument are usually the most ignorant. 

For those who are uninformed ..... I would suggest that they read this article concerning the removal of homosexuality from the DSM-III.  You will find a lot of "poltical activism" involved, including riots at the APA meetings for 3 years before the change, .... as well as an interanl drive by interested parties to change the APA from within, without any scientific reason, ... pure political ... www.mindofmodernity.com/not-sick-the-197...

directly from the mouth of the man who spear-headed the change ........

"302.0 Sexual orientation disturbance (Homosexuality)

This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward people of the same sex and who are either disturbed by, in conflict with, or wish to change their sexual orientation. This diagnostic category is distinguished from homosexuality, which by itself does not constitute a psychiatric disorder. Homosexuality per se is one form of sexual behavior and, like other forms of sexual behavior which are not by themselves psychiatric disorders, is not listed in this nomenclature of mental disorders.

In this paper, Spitzer basically states that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. He writes that “for a mental or psychiatric condition to be considered a psychiatric disorder, it must either regularly cause subjective distress, or regularly be associated with some generalized impairment in social effectiveness or functioning,” and because many homosexuals do not meet these criteria, homosexuality should not be considered an illness. Spitzer clearly understood that this change was in part a political action, stating that “we will be removing one of the justifications for the denial of civil rights to individuals whose only crime is that their sexual orientation is to members of the same sex.” However, he writes that the removal of the homosexuality diagnosis does not amount to “saying that it is ‘normal’ or as valuable as heterosexuality,” and maintains that “this change should in no way interfere with or embarrass those dedicated psychiatrists and psychoanalysts who have devoted themselves to understanding and treating those homosexuals who have been unhappy with their lot.” The idea, in the end, was that if someone was bothered by their own homosexual thoughts, impulses, or behavior, the DSM still had them covered.

OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS, the internal forces of the APA, many of whom were gay, and all liberal and adhereing to the doctine of Social Justice, wiped the DSM clean of any reference to Homosexuality. .... in adherence to their political philosophy regarding civil rights, they completely eliminated any hint that homosexualty should be regarded as "abnormal".

The article ends with these very true statements .... by a Psychiatrist no doubt ....

At the same time, stories like this one makes it plain that the progress of certain disciplines may be driven just as much by personal and political factors as it is by actual scientific progress. ...... Some of the proposed changes seem to have more to do with a desire to remove a stigmatizing label than real “scientific” evidence.

Cheers.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 6:57PM, teilhard wrote:

***I was wondering when you would try to tie "HomoSexuality" to "Paedophilia" and "Sex Addiction" ... (I'm surprised you didn't also mention "Beastiality" ...) ...

Try again ...

 

***LOL ... Yes, obviously some vey vocal Activists ARE still pushing an Anti-GLBT Agenda ... but increasingly, Courts, Legislatures, and Public Opinion are AGAINST them ...

Jun 13, 2012 -- 11:05PM, Bodean wrote:

Jun 13, 2012 -- 10:59PM, TENAC wrote:

This is becoming errily similar to agw.

Amazing.

You're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!

Removal of Homosexuality from the DSM was a perfect example of Political Acitivist subverting Medical Science in the name of "equality" and "social justice".

The CAGW cabal is doing the exact same thing.  ***Activists are pushing the agenda.  The only problem they are having today, vs then, is the .... drum role .... INTERNET!!  Unlike the Gay Activists of 1973, the CAGW cabal cannot opereate in isolation ... they can't just make the change without challenge ... IN THE PUBLIC ARENA!

YEP ..... I'm glad you see reason.  This whole thing has nothing to do with any scientific perspective the Homosexuality is "normal" ... it's really all about POLITICS.

... and in the Left's case, ... PERVERSION of Science and Clinical Medicine, .. all for the sake of POLITICS.

There may be hope yet!

Jun 13, 2012 -- 11:02PM, teilhard wrote:

Well, duh ...

Just about EVERYTHING in Human Life and Culture -- even in Science and Clinical Medicine -- has distinctly "Political" Aspects ...

 

Yes .. we know .... a consensus that was brought about by political activsm ... just like the consensus that CO2 from fossil fuels is going to boil us.

You guys have a wonderful way of filling a profession with your activists, and then making a consensus claim.  LOL.

Gotta love it!

You really should go back and read that article.

Jun 13, 2012 -- 11:28PM, teilhard wrote:

No ... 

The general Concensus in Psychiatry and Pychology -- as reflected in The "DSM" -- is that "HomoSexuality" is indeed a Natural Variant, as is "Bi-Sexuality" (which ought to be a CENTERPIECE in these Discussions, but tends to be ignored as it REALLY complicates what SOME Guys wish to be a simple "either/or" Question ...)

Jun 13, 2012 -- 11:21PM, Bodean wrote:

YEP ..... I'm glad you see reason.  This whole thing has nothing to do with any scientific perspective the Homosexuality is "normal" ... it's really all about POLITICS.

... and in the Left's case, ... PERVERSION of Science and Clinical Medicine, .. all for the sake of POLITICS.

There may be hope yet!

Jun 13, 2012 -- 11:02PM, teilhard wrote:

Well, duh ...

Just about EVERYTHING in Human Life and Culture -- even in Science and Clinical Medicine -- has distinctly "Political" Aspects ...