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Switch to Forum Live View Where do we go to see happy Arabs and Muslims?
1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 3:18AM #1
Miraj
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I'm just curious because, reading here, it's easy to know that even people who haven't spent time in the ME are convinced that Arabs and Muslims are simply backward, bitter beings who just want to kill Jews.  Memri reminds them of that every chance it gets.  

Here, in the US, I don't have to leave my home to see happy Jews.  They are all over my tv shows and movies; political pundits, actors, producers, news readers, comedians, directors, writers, etc.  Except for the political pundits, rarely do any of the Jews on tv shows or in movies speak of Israel.  They do regular, everyday things like fall in love, go shopping, have friends over, grow families, etc.  

So, any suggestions?  Where should one go to see happy Arabs and Muslims?  There must be a few in the world, even in the ME, no?


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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 4:09AM #2
habesor
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Miraj,


Try this:


www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/gross-i... 


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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 5:44AM #3
Miraj
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Thanks, Habesor, but we have a long way to go from one article.  I hope there will be more contributions from our members.

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 6:44AM #4
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I don't have much to say because i don't know the people I meet whether they are this or that.


For years few of us from the street used to get for BBQ. We all got on togather famously in our beautiful summer weather. See you next week, someone said to the lady next to me.  I am off to Israel for holiday she said. Oh, we didn't know you are Jewish, and everybody wished her good time and that was it. She was just one of us.


Besides that a friend and I went to a Jewish social group for an outing. Hearing we are Chrstians did not go down very well. That was the end of our socialising with them.


I prefer not to know, to get to know people for what they are. People put you in the box and everything is colored with their pre-conceived ideas.


 

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 10:05AM #5
vra
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We should remember that happiness is more internal than external.  Studies have confirmed that once a person has basic subsistance (food, water, & a roof over their head), happiness will not intrinsically increase with more wealth, which is one reason why we all too often see millionaires being quite discontent. 


I live in the Detroit area 2/3 of the year whereas there are are a great many Middle Easterners, including Muslems of course, and I generally don't find them to be less happy than most other people.  I taught high school, and before I retired there was a bit over half of the students from Asia, with the largest single group from the M.E.  Generally speaking, I found them to seemingly be more outwardly happier and friendlier than most other students.


Also, I have spent some time in the WB, and the people I talked with there mostly seemed quite happy, with some complaints of course as we all do, although I certainly don't know what goes on behind closed doors. 


People are people, and we'll always have a certain element that is unhappy, but probably in most cases this is because they're unhappy.  IOW, probably in most cases, it's them and not the conditions. 

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 11:19AM #6
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Vra, I tend to agree with your general conclusions.  We have Muslim and Arab neighbors and I haven't noticed them as very much more or less jolly than anyone else. 


We have a mezuzah on our door, I wear a Magain Dovid or a mezuzah frequently, and my neighbors with surnames like 'Khoury' and 'Mohammed' can't have missed those details. If anything, they are more 'neighborly' than some 'townies' have been...... 


I can't speak for other communities, but our very tiny Jewish community in town has for at since 9/11 worked to build ties with our Muslim and Arab neighbors at a very 'grassroots' level.  We never had a 'meeting' or any 'organization:  it was simply the response of individuals - on both 'sides'.


 

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 11:27AM #7
LeahOne
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Miraj:  Bigots are unhappy people.  They are the ones convinced that "if only 'they' hadn't taken it from me, I'd have everything" - regardless of who the 'they' in question is. 


Anyone with that 'zero-sum' outlook is going to be unhappy - even the zealots who have convinced themselves that if we'd only share everything equally, we'd all have enough of everything,


 


Sure, it could start out that way - but the impulsive ones would 'bet on a sure thing' and lose it, the careless would not set anything aside for crises, etc, etc...  And eventually, withOUT anyone being villanous or predatory, there would no longer be 'equality'. 


People can be given something approximating 'equality' in opportunity and rights - but at 4' 11.5 inches, NO amount of skill or training is going to make me a major league basketball player.


We cannot give out equal intelligence OR wisdom to individuals.  And those who can't understand that such is the reason for some of the inequities in life, are condemned to feel 'abused' and resentful ......

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 2:18PM #8
Miraj
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I'm happy to know that those of you with Arab and/or Muslim neighbors are able to see that they are not like those depicted here.  Most people who believe Arabs, Iranians and Muslims are evil have no substantive contact with them.


So, if there is the opportunity to see that we are normal people, too, why is there this constant drumbeat on the negative here?  The insistant peddling of the idea that Arab and Muslim Middle Easterners are bad and that sites, like Memri, that show only the bad, are to be defended, even by those who can't tell for themselves if they're right or not?  


I also realize that, of course, hate sites demeaning Jews are equally upsetting.  I don't like them either, but, at least there are more positive news sources about Jews to contradict them than there are about Muslim Middle Easterners.  Personally, I can't bring myself to demean Jews because most of the Jews I've  known throughout my lifetime are easily likeable people.  Reflecting that, I try to find more neutral sources of information to link to, even preferring Israeli sources, whenever possible.


Speaking generically, whatever your pov, you say a lot about yourself by the sources you rely on.  How do those on either "side" who rely on bigoted, slanted sites distinquish themselves from the hate spreading sites they post from?  Is that even a consideration?

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 2:49PM #9
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Well, earlier this month PalFest came to Gaza - much to the delight of Arab and Muslim residents there.  CNN coverage here.  Lotta happy people  Smile


PalFest is a traveling literary and cultural festival.  They spent five days in Gaza from May 5-9, running workshops for university students, free public events, and visiting refugee camps.  This year's group included Palestinians living in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and around the world.  As well, the group included prominent Arab authors - Ahdaf Soueif and Khaled al Khamissi, amon them.


The Egyptian band Eskenderella - which became well-known for playing in Tahrir Square during the Egyptian revolution - was a big hit.  It played its first concert in Gaza to a packed hall.

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1 year ago  ::  May 23, 2012 - 4:54PM #10
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Miraj


The only unhappy Muslims I see are:


1.  the one who post here;


2.  the one's on the News and in other media screaming bloody murder (literally) and who generally call  for death, destruction, and generalized mayhem and spout anti-west, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic hate speech;


3.  the one's on College Campuses and street corners screaming bloody murder (literally) and who generally call  for death, destruction, and generalized mayhem and spout anti-west, anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic hate speech;


4.  Middle Eastern Arab politicians who are often also members of #2 and sometimes #3.


All of the regular Muslims I know are more or less as happy and as unhappy as the rest of us.

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