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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 8:01PM #1
catboxer
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Obama came out of his NATO meeting today with an announcement that the 33,000 "surge" troops he sent to Afghanistan in 2009 would all be home within 15 months, with 10,000 of them leaving by the end of this year.

edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/06/22/afgh...

This is good news, but not good enough, since 70,000 American troops will still be over there after this drawdown is finished. The plan now is to leave them in for a couple more years, and it'll take at least a couple more really big demonstrations to get that revised.
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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 8:21PM #2
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Update: Under a headline reading "NATO Talks a Sham: War in Afghanistan Is Not Ending," Rep Dennis Kucinich responds to the NATO summit and Obama's announcement as follows:


"Today, NATO leaders are meeting in Chicago to discuss the future of Afghanistan. The talks are being billed as discussions of plans to end the war. The war in Afghanistan is not ending. These talks are simply about financing the next phase of the war.

"The Strategic Partnership Agreement between the U.S. and Afghanistan commits us to the country for at least another decade, despite public support for the war being at an all-time low. The United States will pay for half of the estimated $4.1 billion per year cost of supporting 352,000 Afghan army and police officers. Afghanistan's contribution will be $500,000. The rest will be financed by our 'NATO partners.' It is not surprising that support for the war among NATO members is waning, with France threatening to pull out its troops by the end of this year."

www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-dennis-kucini...


My take on all this is that this clusterschnazzle will be over some time next year, as it will be forced by public turmoil and pressure exterted by our underwriters allies.

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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 9:06PM #3
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Unending imperial warfare is the dream of the military-industrial complex.  It is what we deserve when we allow our representatives to vote for $650 billion/year for unnecessary and unwanted wars which exist only to enrich multinational warprofiteering corporations.

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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 9:20PM #4
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My take on all this is that this clusterschnazzle will be over some time next year, as it will be forced by public turmoil and pressure exterted by our underwriters allies.



If you tell me that some time next year oil and commodities  will no longer be the driving force of imperialism, I will believe it.

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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 9:25PM #5
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What oil or commodities come out of Afghanistan?

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3 years ago  ::  May 21, 2012 - 9:43PM #6
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May 21, 2012 -- 9:25PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


What oil or commodities come out of Afghanistan?




 Afghanistan is not what is all about.  It has to be understood in it's proper context.


 Of course, those who do not want to look too hard, will call a wider  perspective of the situation  a "conspiracy theory" which makes it easy to ignore and dismiss it. 


Why do you think the Soviets and so many others wanted it?

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3 years ago  ::  May 22, 2012 - 9:38AM #7
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May 21, 2012 -- 9:25PM, Mlyons619 wrote:


What oil or commodities come out of Afghanistan?




US/Pentagon strategy (which is failing miserably) is to control the oil supply by politically, economically, and militarily controlling the Middle East.


Afghanistan is in the Middle East.

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3 years ago  ::  May 22, 2012 - 9:50AM #8
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Afghanistan has rich untapped deposits of iron and copper as well as rare-earth metals of which China now dominates existing developed sources.

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3 years ago  ::  May 22, 2012 - 11:14AM #9
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May 21, 2012 -- 9:25PM, Mlyons619 wrote:

What oil or commodities come out of Afghanistan?



The last link is a blog but filled with "official" links and other reports on Afghanistan's vast untapped mineral resources.


Untapped being the operative word here.   Not to mention the proposed pipelines that the Taliban have continually monkeywrenched.   You seriously do not think we would committ so many "national security" dollars for a dry gulch?    I mean who do you think our congress is working for representing?



www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=...


www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector...


www.ianwelsh.net/corruption-for-all-afgh...


Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  May 22, 2012 - 11:21AM #10
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Yes, untapped.  Yes, recently discovered (undiscovered in 2001).  Extensive enough for the United States  AND Europe to hemorage men and money?   France is already bowing out. 


No, I don't think so...

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