What the Bible Really Says About Gays

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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 11:31AM #21
loveontheair Posts: 3,750	May 17, 2012 -- 11:14AM, fodaoson wrote: May 17, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote: May 17, 2012 -- 10:07AM, fodaoson wrote: May 17, 2012 -- 9:50AM, loveontheair wrote: Hello, How about Sodom and Gomorrah? love Ezekiel 16: 49,50 (NIV) Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. ^M)">50They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Fod & Draw... As for Ezekiel 16: 49,50 I am not going to split-hairs. We can debate this till the cows come home. Gen 18:20; Jude 1:7 NIV love The point made by Helminiak and Druac and myself is that homosexuality per se is neither mentioned nor condemned in the Bible. The verses you gave tell of perversions but not the what is perverted , could be worship of othere gods perverting religion, adultery perverting marriage, whore mongering, Ezekiel spells out the ‘sins’ and does not mention homosexuality. May 17, 2012 -- 11:00AM, costrel wrote: Who cares what the Scriptures say (or do not say) about gays? American law should not be based on or structured around the Scriptures. The thread is about the Bible , not American law. The Bible influences many peoples thinking and politics. Hello, Fod... I know what the point was. I remember in High-school one day. A girl friend on mine just platonic, came up to me after school and asked me in a joking way..."are you gay"? I said no right away, but did not know what this term meant. Ok, so with those Scriptures given, we're talking about crimes and misdemeanors? Sodom and Gomorrah and surrounding towns were not destroyed because reckless lawlessness behavior. love Good works will never produce faith, but faith will always produce good works. loveontheair
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 11:34AM #22
Roodog Posts: 9,743	Whether or not it is about male temple prostitution or about a couple of guys of who love each other, it does not fulfil the Lord's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Having babies is not an unfortumate side affect of having sex but the express purpose of having sex. It is the mechanism of perpetuating the species both in science and religion. Barreness and sterility was looked down as signs of divine disfavor in Biblical times. For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary. For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible. St. Thomas Aquinas If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 12:17PM #23
k-bearsmom Posts: 1,716	As a Bible teacher and an ardent student, I have discovered over the many years I've been seeking and investigating, HUNDREDS of opinions and 'translations' of what 'the Bible really says' about many different topics. Scholars, pastors, teachers, authors, all 'find' what rather 'suits' thier particular religion, or viewpoint, or preference....and sometimes that viewpoint is dependant on a secular or even political leaning! I have one particular book called a parallel Bible...8 translations or interpretations on each page and it is amazing, how one little twist in the translation can change the whole meaning of a passage! I have a Strong's Concordance, a Bible Dictionary and other reference books and even they do not agree with the 'correct' meanings of many words. Goodness... there are scholars and theologins who poo-poo the doctrine of Jesus' divinity...and those who don't! Who deny the belief in the Triune God...and those who don't. Who propose that everyone is saved and those who say only through Jesus! Wh o absolutely believe that Paul and Martin Luther were satan's spawn...and those who adhere to thier revelations as from God! ...and on and on and on.......... SO....I propose that you all who deem fit to denigrate ANY 'side' of this argument, take into consideration that on ANY topic, man can make/twist the Scriptures into anything they desire!
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 12:29PM #24
mecdukebec Posts: 13,284	I read the Bible in Greek and Hebrew. I note that the only Greek words putatively supposed to mean "homosexuals" are arsenokoitai and malakoi, the former occuring only once in all of Hellenistic Greek literature and which the NIV interprets to mean "homosexual" but which translated roughly means "men bedders" and the latter translates as "soft" and which the fundagelicals and Wingo-Christians take to mean an "effeminate gay man." I have no idea what Wingos and fundagelicals, therefore, do with a singly attested word (arsenokoitai) or with a "butch" gay man who isn't "effeminate." Christianity is through a cultural lens: Just like prejudice when unable to deal with those who aren't predisposed to prejudice. ******* "Wesley told the early Methodists to gain all they could and save all they could so that they could give all they could. It means that I consider my money to belong to God and I see myself as one of the hungry people who needs to get fed with God’s money. If I really have put all my trust in Jesus Christ as savior and Lord, then nothing I have is really my own anymore."
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 3:10PM #25
catboxer Posts: 12,298	I read the Bible once. It was about God. Adepto vestri stercore simul.
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 3:49PM #26
Druac Posts: 7,685	May 17, 2012 -- 11:34AM, Roodog wrote: Whether or not it is about male temple prostitution or about a couple of guys of who love each other, it does not fulfil the Lord's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Having babies is not an unfortumate side affect of having sex but the express purpose of having sex. It is the mechanism of perpetuating the species both in science and religion. Barreness and sterility was looked down as signs of divine disfavor in Biblical times. In Biblical times...yes...lots of asinine things were done and believed in during "Biblical times"...lucky for us we live in modern times. My wife of 20+ years can't have children and couldn’t even before we got married...so the sex we have is for anything BUT having children. I guess we don't really count “in god’s eyes”...since we can't have children either. So our marriage must be a sham in the minds of the devout Christian. ---------------------- Jesus Is My Savior...He Saves Me From REALITY
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1 year ago :: May 17, 2012 - 4:08PM #27
k-bearsmom Posts: 1,716	NOT SO, Druac! and Cat...you summed it up nicely
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1 year ago :: May 18, 2012 - 9:26AM #28
Jasr Posts: 8,187	May 17, 2012 -- 3:49PM, Druac wrote: May 17, 2012 -- 11:34AM, Roodog wrote: Whether or not it is about male temple prostitution or about a couple of guys of who love each other, it does not fulfil the Lord's commandment to be fruitful and multiply. Having babies is not an unfortumate side affect of having sex but the express purpose of having sex. It is the mechanism of perpetuating the species both in science and religion. Barreness and sterility was looked down as signs of divine disfavor in Biblical times. In Biblical times...yes...lots of asinine things were done and believed in during "Biblical times"...lucky for us we live in modern times. My wife of 20+ years can't have children and couldn’t even before we got married...so the sex we have is for anything BUT having children. I guess we don't really count “in god’s eyes”...since we can't have children either. So our marriage must be a sham in the minds of the devout Christian. Dru: I concur with KBM. Your marriage is just fine in this Christian's eyes...though that may mean very little to you. And if you wanted to have children...I am very sorry that you were not able to. On the other hand, if you did not mind not having children you and your wife have an important part to play and you should never doubt it. Just being there for each other is enough.
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1 year ago :: May 21, 2012 - 12:51PM #29
Mostyn32 Posts: 2,875	Druac, I agree with what jasr wrote - in spades! Those who believe that sex is only for the procreation of children, have never tried it! I seem to recall that the story in Genesis tells us that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, in which case, Druac, yours is a truly biblical marriage. Further, there's no mention made of children in the Genesis story until after Adam and Eve were tossed out of the Garden. If marrital sex is only to be enjoyed with the intent of conceiving a child, why do so many churches marry couples if the woman is past the age of child-bearing? I also agree with Kbearsmom about the problems connected to translations of the Bible. "God is no captious sophister, eager to trip us up whenever we say amiss, but a courteous tutor, ready to amend what, in our weakness or our ignorance, we say ill, and to make the most of what we say aright." from 'A Learned Discourse on Justification', a sermon by Richard Hooker (1554-1600).
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