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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 11:49AM #1
ted08721
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The following article brings up a good point about conservatives and how they are always on the wrong side of history, and the only time they want the government involved is to bomb unarmed civilians from 10,000 feet, putting someone to death or invading a woman’s private medical decisions, conservatives have always hated anything to do with government.

They seem in favor of small government and BIG military otherwise, I think something is wrong with this picture.

www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/11/conserv...

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 11:56AM #2
drawout
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Heres some examples from a fair and balanced web site,at least fair and balanced by Fox News standards...


"Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans; Social Security, the war in Vietnam, equal rights, civil liberties, church- state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the environment
and tax fairness. No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident.
The only rational conclusion is that, despite their cynical "family values" propaganda, the Republican Party is a criminal conspiracy to betray the interests of the American people
in favor of plutocratic and corporate interests, and absolutist religious groups.

Why? Because they're evil GOP bastards!
Visit the Hall of
Shame Archives"
www.evilgopbastards.com

'When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained.' - Mark Twain
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 1:22PM #3
mainecaptain
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May 12, 2012 -- 11:49AM, ted08721 wrote:


The following article brings up a good point about conservatives and how they are always on the wrong side of history, and the only time they want the government involved is to bomb unarmed civilians from 10,000 feet, putting someone to death or invading a woman’s private medical decisions, conservatives have always hated anything to do with government.

They seem in favor of small government and BIG military otherwise, I think something is wrong with this picture.

www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/11/conserv...




Conservatives "claim" to like small government. However it always gets bigger under a Republican President, so I guess that is another lie.


They want government so big it is in a women uterus, bedroom doctors office. So big it is actually theocratic in nature and wants "Christian" Prayer in "Public" School.


They want Christian based laws in place and a Christian based constitutional amendment to stop other people from getting married. People not their religion, because it is against their denomination of Christian religion.


Conservatives are very far from wanting small government. As far as I can see, Going only by the visible evidence. They want a government giving them total control over every intimate detail of a persons life.


And absolutely take no responsibility for their actions.  As long as it makes them (generic conservative) feel powerful and in control of everyone else.


A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 2:41PM #4
Unworthyone
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Conservatives, by definition, are opposed to change.  Unfortunately, change is inevitable.


Conservatives always look to the past as the 'good old days' and look to the future with fear and loathing.  Conservatives see change as something to be feared.  No way to live one's life, IMO.


Liberals on the other hand, are open to new ideas and change.  They see things in our society that not optimal, and they seek means and methods to improve the current circumstances.  There are literally millions of options for change, and admittedly, some are better than others.  Nevertheless, change is going to occur, much to the chagrin of conservatives.  Liberals will seek change, hoping to pick the best change.  Sometimes they succeed, other times, not so much.


Was it conservatives that fought to give women the vote?


Was it conservatives who saw seniors without healthcare options and created Medicare?


Was it conservatives who decided to mandate seat belts in automobiles?


Was it conservatives who decided it was good to take lead out of household paints?


Those who provide our food supply and medications are too prone to put profits before people's safety.  Given the opportunity, they will take shortcuts to improve their bottom line while putting the consumer at risk.  By and large, the American people know this is true, and they don't like it.  Hence, we have the FDA.  It is far from perfect, but it is demonstrably better than the alternative.


The only reason that liberals turn to government is because people, special interests groups, and corporations won't do the right thing on their own.  Government regulation is the end result of conservatives hiding their heads in the sand and refusing to demand equity and fairness in our society. 


Conservatives seem to be of the mindset that if there are to be winners in our society, there must be losers, if for no other reason than to differentiate the two.  They believe a winner can only win at the expense of someone else.  And if that means stacking the deck against someone, then so be it.  Anyone ever play the RED/BLACK game? You know what I'm saying.


If giving workers fair wages and benefits will cut into profits, then fair wages and benefits are bad.  Just ask the coal mining industry.


If moving a factory to Canada means more profits to shareholders, then that is what we will do, even if thousands of our fellow American workers and their families suffer tremendous hardship as a result.  Winners and losers.  That's what its all about.


Conservatives believe that if the government hands a business cash in the form of tax breaks or subsidies, the business will automatically take that cash and hire more workers to produce more and create more profit.  That is the trickle down theory.  Tax breaks at the top will result in jobs down below.


Anyone in business knows you've got to know your business to succeed.  And if you know your business, you will succeed, regardless of what government does.  Thousands of companies, large and small, prove this truth every day.


Anyone in business will also tell you that in order to succeed, a company needs customers.  To succeed more, a company needs more customers.  Therefore, if government wants to help businesses, it should help create customers. By cutting the tax burden on the middle class, those people will have more money to spend, becoming the customers businesses need.  When there are more customers, demand for goods and services goes up.  Businesses hire more workers to keep up with demand.  Those newly hired workers not only become customers themselves because they now have cash, but they also become taxpayers, increasing the government revenues.  They will inevitably pay back whatever the government initially invested in them.


Some men see things as they are and ask 'why?' I dream things that never were and ask 'why not?'  Robert F. Kennedy

I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.  Thomas Jefferson

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein

You can get anything you want out of life if you will just help enough other people get what they want. Zig Ziglar

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 3:37PM #5
Ironhold
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May 12, 2012 -- 2:41PM, Unworthyone wrote:


Was it conservatives that fought to give women the vote?




Actually?


The Utah Territory was the second place in the nation where women could vote, coming just a few months behind Wyoming.


The "progressive" souls in Washington, concerned about the "evil" that was polygamy, tacked on a rider to an anti-polygamy law that ended womens' suffrage in the territory. The "Mormon Women" voting bloc was so powerful that Congress opted to destroy what it couldn't possess.


So yes, we did have conservatives once push for womens' suffrage, only to have progressives move in and prohibit it.

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 4:19PM #6
Mostyn32
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The anti-polygamy law (the Morrill bill) was passed in 1862, during Lencoln's tenure in the White House. It wasn't so much anti-women's suffrage as it was anti-Mormon.


Lincoln signed it into law after Congress passed it, but he did not enforce it. In fact, he made a deal with Brigham Young, promising not to enforce the Act in exchange for Young's promise not to get Utah involved in the Civil War.

"God is no captious sophister, eager to trip us up whenever we say amiss, but a courteous tutor, ready to amend what, in our weakness or our ignorance, we say ill, and to make the most of what we say aright."  from 'A Learned Discourse on Justification', a sermon by Richard Hooker (1554-1600).
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 5:51PM #7
Ironhold
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May 12, 2012 -- 4:19PM, Mostyn32 wrote:


The anti-polygamy law (the Morrill bill) was passed in 1862, during Lencoln's tenure in the White House. It wasn't so much anti-women's suffrage as it was anti-Mormon.


Lincoln signed it into law after Congress passed it, but he did not enforce it. In fact, he made a deal with Brigham Young, promising not to enforce the Act in exchange for Young's promise not to get Utah involved in the Civil War.




Actually, it was the Poland Act and the Edmunds Act that were responsible, the latter actually being outright unConstitutional despite no justice during or since ever having the courage to admit so. 

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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 6:23PM #8
Qwesam
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They are the followers after the Democrats...


 

***Watching Foxnews makes you dumb and dumber than your friends who watch NO News. It is on the survey!

***Don’t listen to what Republicans say, look what they do to Women’s rights.
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 7:29PM #9
withwonderingawe
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"Since the New Deal, Republicans have been on the wrong side of every issue of concern to ordinary Americans;



Social Security; it’s a mess and going bankrupted sooner than later


the war in Vietnam; it was about trying to help a people who were going to be enslaved by communism. Communism really is a religion with a desire to create a utopian world at any cost. We know that Stalin murdered between 20 and 30 million of his own people and Moa left 45 million of his people dead. When we pulled out Vietnam millions were murdered and we turned a blind eye.


I do not profess to know what we should have done there or if there had been anyway to win it but I don’t think we were on the wrong side of history. We held the communist at bay long enough for the Soviet Union to collapse and China to start implementing some capitalism into their societies.


The left/communist in our mist have always ignored the red blood hands of those they praise. Communist see people as a unit and don’t care how many they need to kill to obtain their objective.



equal rights, civil liberties;


Surprise surprise Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican


“…..the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.


It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.


During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.


Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.”


www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500



church- state separation, The constitution is written to protect us from the state forcing a religion upon us it was never meant to stop religious expression. Washington and others would be turning over in their graves if they could see the crosses being taken down across America just because they are on public lands.


It’s Nancy Pelosi whose using her religion to further her political agendas.


consumer issues; what, we want things cheaper and more of it??


public education; What, we want reading writing and math taught?? Maybe a little real history instead of the rewrite the left does??


reproductive freedom; that’s a rewording so as to take the sting out of the word abortion. You’re exercising your reproductive rights instead of murdering a baby.


national health care; Ya mean the right to choose our own doctors and not have some government bureaucrat standing there dictating what they can and can’t do?


labor issues, You mean we like the right to work laws, the right not to be enslaved by union thugs?


gun policy, Ya mean that constitutional guarantee of the right to bear arms? Which is the wrong side of that?


campaign-finance reform; Look at the mess we now have.


the environment; oh yes we conservatives want dirty air and filthy water


I think most people have figured out global warming was a hoax, used first by the left to gain control of property rights and then by the oil nations to keep the prices up.


and tax fairness. When nearly 45% of Americans do not pay any federal taxes is that fair?


What Republicans want are more jobs created by lower taxes for all.

Wise men still seek him.
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2 years ago  ::  May 12, 2012 - 7:37PM #10
TENAC
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A lot of times I will start a thread and lay out red meat to my liberals friends.


But never do I start a thread comparable to fish in a barrel and give them a gun.



I will read only this thread.


Carry on conservative brethern.

Any man can count the seeds in an apple....
.......but only God can count the apples in the seeds.
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