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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 4:30PM #1
Druac
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www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/politics/obama-sa...


(CNN) -- President Barack Obama, who previously indicated his views were "evolving," said Wednesday that he supports same-sex marriage, raising the political stakes on an issue in which Americans are evenly split.




Now if we can just get him to admit his actual thoughts on legalizing marijuana! :)

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 4:49PM #2
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The way I see it, he had absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely everything to gain by making this move.


He's proven himself to be far too liberal to score any conservative or even moderately conservative votes.  However, he's turned off a lot of liberals by trying to make everybody happy on certain issues.  


He just gained the liberal vote from the liberals who had lost faith in him.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:10PM #3
Druac
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May 9, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


The way I see it, he had absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely everything to gain by making this move.


He's proven himself to be far too liberal to score any conservative or even moderately conservative votes.  However, he's turned off a lot of liberals by trying to make everybody happy on certain issues.  


He just gained the liberal vote from the liberals who had lost faith in him.




Good point...I didn't think of it that way...maybe I'm not a real liberal after all :) Whatever that actually is.


I always felt he actually did feel this way...I just thought he was too much of a pussy to admit it...or too much of a politician.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:11PM #4
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May 9, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Cesmom wrote:


The way I see it, he had absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely everything to gain by making this move.


He's proven himself to be far too liberal to score any conservative or even moderately conservative votes.  However, he's turned off a lot of liberals by trying to make everybody happy on certain issues.  


He just gained the liberal vote from the liberals who had lost faith in him.




Yep.  White House internal polls must say he's lost his base.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:14PM #5
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I am not sure I agree he has nothing to lose. Black Evangelical voters will certainly be disturbed by this.


I wish he had come out in favor of a universal civil union instrument, proposed making it confer survivor benefits for Federal entitlements, and left the word "marriage" out of the legal conversation altogether.


That would be the best way to guarantee equal rights for all Americans without giving the religious right fodder for their hatemongering.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:22PM #6
Cesmom
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May 9, 2012 -- 5:14PM, Jasr wrote:


I am not sure I agree he has nothing to lose. Black Evangelical voters will certainly be disturbed by this.


I wish he had come out in favor of a universal civil union instrument, proposed making it confer survivor benefits for Federal entitlements, and left the word "marriage" out of the legal conversation altogether.


That would be the best way to guarantee equal rights for all Americans without giving the religious right fodder for their hatemongering.




I agree the word 'marriage' should be left out of the conversation altogether, but that should apply to heterosexual marriages as well.  In the eyes of the law, we should all have 'civil unions' and leave marriages up to the individual and their church.


Either way, it's nice to see him take a stand on a serious issue instead of being a wish-washy politician about it.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:38PM #7
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I have ever increasing RESPECT for President Barack O'Bama ...

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:46PM #8
Roodog
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Same sex sex is not illegal, neither should same sex marriage be illegal.


Let the same sex folks marry or else start prosecuting them with a vengeance!

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 5:59PM #9
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The five at five on fox were discussing this.


Beckel was saying it took a lot of courage to do it.


Gutfeld a libertarian was glad he finally did the right things, wish he hadn’t waited so long and told the truth to begin with. Took Beckel to task about saying that most of the Tea Party would be against gay marriage when a lot of the tea party are liberation like himself.


Eric Bolling was asking about the Hispanic vote because most of them will be Catholic and consider marriage a sacred sacrament.

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 6:48PM #10
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I have a tiny little bitty reservation about “marriage   Family, sexual relations, status of women legitimacy of heirs, etc. have changed from the ancient marriage rituals and traditions. Women are no longer chattel; legitimacy is not a question, DNA/adoption determines parentage; association determines family.  Marriage /civil union confers   civil rights and legal protection,  Civil Union should be the legal state issue and marriage a religious  personal commitment.   I have no interest in same sex sex  or “marriage “.   That is because it not my sexual orientation, but for those people who are  should not  be deprived of civil rights and what they do in the bedroom is none of my concern. Research shows that Same sex couple make good parents, and hav far less child abuse than heterosexual couples and that the children, adopted  or otherwise, are as adjusted and loved as they should be.


 I think Obama and every hetero has at least a little of the same difficulty of understanding   what being gay /lesbian is about. 

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