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2 years ago  ::  May 08, 2012 - 5:29PM #1
KindredSai
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Ok, I'm no fan of Israel's policies against Palestinians and the future State of Palestine. But this is one thing Israel has to be admired for, it's superb attitude towards LGBT rights.
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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 2:24AM #2
Dostojevsky
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May 8, 2012 -- 5:29PM, KindredSai wrote:

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Ok, I'm no fan of Israel's policies against Palestinians and the future State of Palestine. But this is one thing Israel has to be admired for, it's superb attitude towards LGBT rights.



Israel, Jewish state,  with predominately Jewish people, isn't that against their religion?

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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 3:28AM #3
habesor
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Kindredsai,


You are correct but Israel gets dumped on for its policies towards gays. See:


www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/opinion/pinkw... 


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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 8:39AM #4
rocketjsquirell
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May 9, 2012 -- 2:24AM, Dostojevsky wrote:


May 8, 2012 -- 5:29PM, KindredSai wrote:

www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview....


Ok, I'm no fan of Israel's policies against Palestinians and the future State of Palestine. But this is one thing Israel has to be admired for, it's superb attitude towards LGBT rights.



Israel, Jewish state,  with predominately Jewish people, isn't that against their religion?




Dos


Yes, No and Maybe. Please join us at the Discuss Judaism Board where we could more thoroughly discuss the religious aspects of the issue.  However, you must remember that Israel is a secular state. That means that no matter where one stands with regard to the proper Jewish Theological position with regard to homosexuality (and there are points of general agreement and points of disagreement) the civil rights of persons with regard to the state are a secular matter. 


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2 years ago  ::  May 09, 2012 - 4:31PM #5
KindredSai
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Habesor,


I agree with various writers that gay rights is usually a tangent or sometimes a front to criticise Muslims as a whole. Also we must remember that many laws that oppress basic gay rights have been put forward by colonial laws implemented by the British.


The British group kaleidoskope is reviewing this and our relationship with nations that criminalise homosexual activity. I do hope we cut aid and trade to these nations but with Saudi Arabia, even Cameron will cite this as an unwise choice.

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2 years ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 5:16AM #6
Dostojevsky
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I know this has been talked about over and over...but as there aren't cameras in my bedroom and no police outside my door, whose business is it with whom or with what do I have sex with?


Why should I need someone's approval? Unless it involves unwilling parties or children then by all means the law should be stict and unforgiving.


KS, I am disappointed. Cut aid because of their moral standards which are rooted in their tradition, culture, religion? They have a right to their view same as you have right to yours.


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 1:59PM #7
BDboy
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May 9, 2012 -- 8:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


May 9, 2012 -- 2:24AM, Dostojevsky wrote:


May 8, 2012 -- 5:29PM, KindredSai wrote:

www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview....


Ok, I'm no fan of Israel's policies against Palestinians and the future State of Palestine. But this is one thing Israel has to be admired for, it's superb attitude towards LGBT rights.



Israel, Jewish state,  with predominately Jewish people, isn't that against their religion?




Dos


Yes, No and Maybe. Please join us at the Discuss Judaism Board where we could more thoroughly discuss the religious aspects of the issue.



 


>>>>>> Thanks for clearing it up. Until now I was confused. ;-)


 


May 9, 2012 -- 8:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


  However, you must remember that Israel is a secular state. That means that no matter where one stands with regard to the proper Jewish Theological position with regard to homosexuality (and there are points of general agreement and points of disagreement) the civil rights of persons with regard to the state are a secular matter. 





>>>>>>>  "Must" I ???


OK, maybe you should "Remind" Israel of that "Secular" part of Israel. Because Israel has been bitchin about being a "Jewish state" to Arabs (Demanding to be accepted as "Jewish state" from them) and "Secular" state to western world, an occupior to Palestinains and "Gay friendly state" to "Rainbow coalition" and "Supporters of Fashion TV".


Habesor gave us a link which talks about an Israeli initiative to "Brand" Israel as a modern state to a specific age group (Something like 18-34). The Israeli gays are "USED" as the brand promoters!!


here is a little bit from that article..


In 2005, with help from American marketing executives, the Israeli government began a marketing campaign, “Brand Israel,” aimed at men ages 18 to 34. The campaign, as reported by The Jewish Daily Forward, sought to depict Israel as “relevant and modern.” The government later expanded the marketing plan by harnessing the gay community to reposition its global image.


Last year, the Israeli news site Ynet reported that the Tel Aviv tourism board had begun a campaign of around $90 million to brand the city as “an international gay vacation destination.” The promotion, which received support from the Tourism Ministry and Israel’s overseas consulates, includes depictions of young same-sex couples and financing for pro-Israeli movie screenings at lesbian and gay film festivals in the United States. (The government isn’t alone; an Israeli pornography producer even shot a film, “Men of Israel,” on the site of a former Palestinian village.)


This message is being articulated at the highest levels. In May, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress that the Middle East was “a region where women are stoned, gays are hanged, Christians are persecuted.”


The growing global gay movement against the Israeli occupation has named these tactics “pinkwashing”: a deliberate strategy to conceal the continuing violations of Palestinians’ human rights behind an image of modernity signified by Israeli gay life.................


Maybe Israel is having an identity crisis and need to be "Helped" until it learns to act like a "Normal state".


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 2:08PM #8
habesor
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No BDBoy,


I think the gay rights activist who bashed Israel for being a place where gays exercise the right to be gay, is the one having the identity crisis. 


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2 years ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 2:22PM #9
BDboy
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May 10, 2012 -- 2:08PM, habesor wrote:


No BDBoy,


I think the gay rights activist who bashed Israel for being a place where gays exercise the right to be gay, is the one having the identity crisis. 


Habesor




>>>>>>>> Well the point is Israel presents a DIFFERENT parts of Israel to differenet countries. We have been told by many members here that, Israel is for "Jewish" people. Right now, Israel demands to be accepted as a "Jewish" state to Palestinians!!


Albeit gay lifestyle is against teachings of OT and NT, Israel "Allows" it to be "Modern"!!


I do not care much which way Israel want to present itself but it is a bit hypocritical to claim it as "Jewish", "Humane" and "Gay friendly" at the same time. It looks like typical political "Double talk" to score some political point.

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2 years ago  ::  May 10, 2012 - 3:27PM #10
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I have nothing against gay people, but, it is a bit hypocritical to claim the state to be Jewish in character, and it's right to exist based on the Biblical heritage of the Jewish people, while at the same time embracing homosexuality as a norm, but rejecting the rights of its Arab exiles.  


In the Bible, God condemned Sodom and Gomorrah for its wanton sexual ways and godlessness.  If Jews want Israel to be a Jewish state due God's favor, then they should at least follow honor God's practice.



May 10, 2012 -- 2:22PM, BDboy wrote:


May 10, 2012 -- 2:08PM, habesor wrote:


No BDBoy,


I think the gay rights activist who bashed Israel for being a place where gays exercise the right to be gay, is the one having the identity crisis. 


Habesor




>>>>>>>> Well the point is Israel presents a DIFFERENT parts of Israel to differenet countries. We have been told by many members here that, Israel is for "Jewish" people. Right now, Israel demands to be accepted as a "Jewish" state to Palestinians!!


Albeit gay lifestyle is against teachings of OT and NT, Israel "Allows" it to be "Modern"!!


I do not care much which way Israel want to present itself but it is a bit hypocritical to claim it as "Jewish", "Humane" and "Gay friendly" at the same time. It looks like typical political "Double talk" to score some political point.





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