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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:39AM #1
catboxer
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The famous author Stephen King made a speech in Florida recently and said his 28 percent tax rate was not high enough, and that wealthy people such as himself should be more heavily taxed.

"Cut a check and shut up," most of his listeners responded, some adding that they were tired of hearing about it. (Can't get the link to copy: see Guardian.co.uk front page.)

King answered them in an expletive-filled piece that I'm leaving as he wrote it. I wouldn't presume to edit this guy's work.

"Tough shit for you guys, because I'm not tired of talking about it. I've known rich people, and why not, since I'm one of them? The majority would rather douse their dicks with lighter fluid, strike a match, and dance around singing 'Disco Inferno' than pay one more cent in taxes to Uncle Sugar."

King acknowledged that he is only "'baby rich' compared with some of these guys, who float serenely over the lives of the struggling middle class like blimps made of thousand-dollar bills."

Stephen King's conclusiion: Mitt Romney has said, in effect, 'I'm rich and I don't apologise for it.' Nobody wants you to, Mitt. What some of us want – those who aren't blinded by a lot of bullshit persiflage thrown up to mask the idea that rich folks want to keep their damn money – is for you to acknowledge that you couldn't have made it in America without America. That you were fortunate enough to be born in a country where upward mobility is possible (a subject upon which Barack Obama can speak with the authority of experience), but where the channels making such upward mobility possible are being increasingly clogged. That it's not fair to ask the middle class to assume a disproportionate amount of the tax burden. Not fair? It's un-fucking-American is what it is."


God help the Koch Brothers.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 11:55AM #2
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Kings critics are correct. He has every right to cut a check to the IRS ANYTIME.....

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:04PM #3
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Sure he does.


He also has the right to let the cobra out of the basket, so to speak.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:12PM #4
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Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:27PM #5
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King's declaration that he should be assessed higher taxes is just for openers.


The real thrust of his remarks is that it's time for our aristocracy of wealth to ante up or get out of Dodge.


If they want to bribe government officials so as to not have to pay any taxes, they can do it somewhere else.


If they want to actually be the government, writing some laws and overturning others, they're going to have to be somebody else's. We've had enough of them.


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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 12:48PM #6
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May 1, 2012 -- 11:55AM, ZafodB wrote:


 


Kings critics are correct. He has every right to cut a check to the IRS ANYTIME.....




Try writing check to the IRS without  an amount due  notice of some kind and the  IRS will return it

May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.




In the minutia of tax  law, not claiming  legal deductions  may or can  be illegal




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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 2:26PM #7
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May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.





Stating that King and Buffet "have the right to pay more taxes if they want" is actually the ploy.


King and Buffet are well known wealthy men who believe that the wealthy as a group are not taxed enough. Their expressed opinions carry some weight simply because their own contributions would rise as a consequence, and they cannot be accused of any form of self-dealing.


A check written by a single wealthy individual would make no difference at all. A fair pre-Bush tax rate applied to all the wealthy would make an enormous difference. That is why some are so anxious to change the subject.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 2:49PM #8
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May 1, 2012 -- 2:26PM, Jasr wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.





Stating that King and Buffet "have the right to pay more taxes if they want" is actually the ploy.


King and Buffet are well known wealthy men who believe that the wealthy as a group are not taxed enough. Their expressed opinions carry some weight simply because their own contributions would rise as a consequence, and they cannot be accused of any form of self-dealing.


A check written by a single wealthy individual would make no difference at all. A fair pre-Bush tax rate applied to all the wealthy would make an enormous difference. That is why some are so anxious to change the subject.




Come on, Jasr, you're just making excuses for them. They don't have to take advantage of tax breaks or loopholes and if they honestly believe that they're not paying enough in taxes, they can choose not to take advantage of them. The fact is, they say they don't feel they pay enough and then turn around and take advantage of all the tax breaks and loopholes they're entitled to, which means they're not really willing to put their money where their mouth is.


Even a pre-Bush tax rate allowed for loopholes and tax breaks and the wealthy still weren't paying their 'fair share' (not to mention, Bush's tax breaks also benefitted the poor and the middle class). You want people to pay their fair share? Get rid of all tax breaks and loopholes and just have a flat rate based on income.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 3:17PM #9
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May 1, 2012 -- 2:49PM, Girlchristian wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 2:26PM, Jasr wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.





Stating that King and Buffet "have the right to pay more taxes if they want" is actually the ploy.


King and Buffet are well known wealthy men who believe that the wealthy as a group are not taxed enough. Their expressed opinions carry some weight simply because their own contributions would rise as a consequence, and they cannot be accused of any form of self-dealing.


A check written by a single wealthy individual would make no difference at all. A fair pre-Bush tax rate applied to all the wealthy would make an enormous difference. That is why some are so anxious to change the subject.




Come on, Jasr, you're just making excuses for them. They don't have to take advantage of tax breaks or loopholes and if they honestly believe that they're not paying enough in taxes, they can choose not to take advantage of them. The fact is, they say they don't feel they pay enough and then turn around and take advantage of all the tax breaks and loopholes they're entitled to, which means they're not really willing to put their money where their mouth is.


Even a pre-Bush tax rate allowed for loopholes and tax breaks and the wealthy still weren't paying their 'fair share' (not to mention, Bush's tax breaks also benefitted the poor and the middle class). You want people to pay their fair share? Get rid of all tax breaks and loopholes and just have a flat rate based on income.




I wouldn't say that they are not willing to put their money where their mouth is.  I would say that they are realistic enough to know that they can't fix it all by themselves, so they are trying to bring about a greater change that will.


Jasr's post was dead on.

Our need to learn should always outweigh our need to be right

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

More people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them.
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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 3:36PM #10
Girlchristian
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May 1, 2012 -- 3:17PM, Cesmom wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 2:49PM, Girlchristian wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 2:26PM, Jasr wrote:


May 1, 2012 -- 12:12PM, Girlchristian wrote:


Stephen King's words, like Buffet's and others, are no more than a ploy. IF they really want to pay more in taxes all they have to do is tell their accountants that they don't want to take advantage of any tax credits or loopholes they're entitled to. Problem is, we all know they're not going to do that so they'll 'say' they want to pay more and then do the complete opposite.





Stating that King and Buffet "have the right to pay more taxes if they want" is actually the ploy.


King and Buffet are well known wealthy men who believe that the wealthy as a group are not taxed enough. Their expressed opinions carry some weight simply because their own contributions would rise as a consequence, and they cannot be accused of any form of self-dealing.


A check written by a single wealthy individual would make no difference at all. A fair pre-Bush tax rate applied to all the wealthy would make an enormous difference. That is why some are so anxious to change the subject.




Come on, Jasr, you're just making excuses for them. They don't have to take advantage of tax breaks or loopholes and if they honestly believe that they're not paying enough in taxes, they can choose not to take advantage of them. The fact is, they say they don't feel they pay enough and then turn around and take advantage of all the tax breaks and loopholes they're entitled to, which means they're not really willing to put their money where their mouth is.


Even a pre-Bush tax rate allowed for loopholes and tax breaks and the wealthy still weren't paying their 'fair share' (not to mention, Bush's tax breaks also benefitted the poor and the middle class). You want people to pay their fair share? Get rid of all tax breaks and loopholes and just have a flat rate based on income.




I wouldn't say that they are not willing to put their money where their mouth is.  I would say that they are realistic enough to know that they can't fix it all by themselves, so they are trying to bring about a greater change that will.


Jasr's post was dead on.




Except they're not bringing a greater change. Saying "I should pay more in taxes" does nothing. Actually setting the example and choosing to pay the rate they should be paying would do a lot more. It's just more politics.


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