My mother was a single mother. The man she married disappeared. She took her career seriously. She NEVER.....NEVER. took time off for school functions or anything else. Nor did she take sick days for fear of loosing her job.

Single parents Do not take time off from work for anything.

These idiots who actively want to pay a women less. And then claim the reason is because she will have days off because of children. Are the same people that would not allow a women birth control to stop her from having children she did not want.

Not allow an abortion if she is raped and gets pregnant, which would be quite possible since  she was not allowed birth control. And would not allow a women to say no to her husband.

Have laws protecting women from domestic or any kind of violence repealed or shot down.

This is all done by the same kind of person, usually men.

In other words woman haters.

There is no decent, logical or moral reason to pay a women less for doing the same work.

Apr 30, 2012 -- 11:49PM, christzen wrote:

There is no reason that a woman should be paid less for doing the exact same job as a man at the exact same level of production.

 

At the same time,to pretend that women can perform all jobs equally as well as men is delusional,and I wonder how much this affects the facts about pay cited here.If I am injured and trapped in a burning buildng,I want an (at least) average size and strength man coming in to rescue me,not an average  size and strength  woman.No aplogies for this.If I need the police to respond to a potentially violent situation,I want a man to come,not a woman picked to meet some gender quota.If I am paying a company to perform physical labor on my house by the hour,I want a man capable of performing the hard work at a normal pace.On the other hand,if they are quoting me the work by the job and not the hour,and it is not necessary to have it done at a certain pace and time frame, and she has the strength to do the job correctly (such as tightening bolts down to a prescribed torgue rating),let them send a woman,as long as it doesn't cost me extra money due to her physical limitations or result in a poorer quality job due to the strength limitaions of the woman. 

I somehow doubt these limitations are taken into effect when crying "foul" on behalf on women and their wages.

On the other hand,an attractive nurse attending me in the hospital is worth a lot more than a bearded,overweight man. :)

This begs the questions;

How much money would you have to save in order to prefer the overweight, bearded man?

Apr 30, 2012 -- 5:37PM, mainecaptain wrote:

My mother was a single mother. The man she married disappeared. She took her career seriously. She NEVER.....NEVER. took time off for school functions or anything else. Nor did she take sick days for fear of loosing her job.

Single parents Do not take time off from work for anything.

This is a blanket statement that you can't back up. In two years in my office, it was the single mom that took the most time off and she assumed that she wouldn't get fired for under-performance because she was a single mom and everyone would feel bad for her. She got herself fired because of it. Not all single moms are like your mom was.

These idiots who actively want to pay a women less. And then claim the reason is because she will have days off because of children. Are the same people that would not allow a women birth control to stop her from having children she did not want.

Another generalization you can't back up..

Not allow an abortion if she is raped and gets pregnant, which would be quite possible since  she was not allowed birth control. And would not allow a women to say no to her husband.

Wow, you're really stretching here...

Have laws protecting women from domestic or any kind of violence repealed or shot down.

Again, can't back up your statement.

This is all done by the same kind of person, usually men.

You do realize that it's not only men posting on this thread right?

In other words woman haters.

As opposed to being a man hater? Or hating anyone that disagrees with you?

There is no decent, logical or moral reason to pay a women less for doing the same work.

So the actual facts I provided on why women get paid less (including the fact that they don't go after the higher paying jobs) isn't decent, logical, or moral?

May 1, 2012 -- 9:18AM, Find1Answer wrote:

May 1, 2012 -- 8:58AM, Girlchristian wrote:

Apr 30, 2012 -- 5:37PM, mainecaptain wrote:

My mother was a single mother. The man she married disappeared. She took her career seriously. She NEVER.....NEVER. took time off for school functions or anything else. Nor did she take sick days for fear of loosing her job.

Single parents Do not take time off from work for anything.

This is a blanket statement that you can't back up. In two years in my office, it was the single mom that took the most time off and she assumed that she wouldn't get fired for under-performance because she was a single mom and everyone would feel bad for her. She got herself fired because of it. Not all single moms are like your mom was.

These idiots who actively want to pay a women less. And then claim the reason is because she will have days off because of children. Are the same people that would not allow a women birth control to stop her from having children she did not want.

Another generalization you can't back up..

Not allow an abortion if she is raped and gets pregnant, which would be quite possible since  she was not allowed birth control. And would not allow a women to say no to her husband.

Wow, you're really stretching here...

Have laws protecting women from domestic or any kind of violence repealed or shot down.

Again, can't back up your statement.

This is all done by the same kind of person, usually men.

You do realize that it's not only men posting on this thread right?

In other words woman haters.

As opposed to being a man hater? Or hating anyone that disagrees with you?

There is no decent, logical or moral reason to pay a women less for doing the same work.

So the actual facts I provided on why women get paid less (including the fact that they don't go after the higher paying jobs) isn't decent, logical, or moral?

I believe the topic is Equal Pay for Equal Work.    not more pay because you may be the breadwinner ( which is the justification for the RULE),   or more pay even though you miss the most days at work  or more pay because you took off 5 years to get your kids through infancy.       All this talk about women being not qualified for more pay due to interruptions in their career has little to do with Equal Pay for Equal Work.   Just ask Lily Ledbetter.

According to the OP, it's about income inequality, which is not the same as "Equal pay for equal work" considering the OP simply compared full-time working men with full-time working women.

Now, if you have two executives that have the same level of education, same experience, and work equally hard when they're at work, but one calls in sick 10 days out of the year and one calls in sick 2 days out of the year then they're still no longer doing 'equal work.'

OK ... so one digs deeper .. and finds that this whole issue is nothing more than more B.S. propaganda by known feminists extremists.

What our leftists friends refuse to acknowledge [aside from reality], is that the pay disparity has been slowly dissappearing .... in accordance with education levels of women.

"According to Andrew Beveridge, a Professor of Sociology at Queens College, between 2000 and 2005, young women in their twenties earned more than their male counterparts in some large urban centers, including Dallas (120%), New York (117%), Chicago, Boston, and Minneapolis. A major reason for this is that women have been graduating from college in larger numbers than men, and that many of those women seem to be gravitating toward major urban areas."

So much for the false claim that all women are paid less than men.

The real numbers ....

"Using CPS data, U.S. Bureau of Labor and the Federal Reserve determined the pay gap was only 5% between men and women. This report takes into account differences between men and women in educational attainment, work experience, occupation, career interruptions, part-time status and overtime worked. The result is striking—these factors explain approximately three-fourths of the 2007 raw gender hourly wage gap of 20.4 percent. The adjusted 2007 gender hourly wage gap is roughly 5 percent"

5% .. that is all folks.

And .. then there is this! [I knew this existed, and it is consistent with GC's position]

"a study by Eric Solberg & Teresa Laughlin (1995), who find that "occupational selection is the primary determinant of the gender wage gap" (as opposed to discrimination) because “any measure of earnings that excludes fringe benefits may produce misleading results as to the existence magnitude, consequence, and source of market discrimination.” They found that the average wage rate of females was only 87.4% of the average wage rate of males; whereas, when earnings were measured by their index of total compensation (including fringe benefits), the average value of the index for females was 96.4% of the average value for males"

This all goes to the fact that Women will gravitate to professions that allow for more personal flexibility, time off, and other "Fringe Perks", that are traditionally excluded from such politically biased and agenda driven analyses intent on demonizing males.

The Reality!!!

Men are the ones discriminated against in today's socieity.

Thanks to measures intended to boost Women's education and opportunities, Boys and Men are falling through the cracks.  Graduation rates are lower, and men are becomming less eligible for higher paying positions of the FUTURE.  The Pay Discrepancy that exists today is an ever dwindling number, and has been for 40 years, ... and it will continue to dwindle as more and more women get college educations and enter the work force.  In the not too distant future, Women will be making MORE than men, as there simply will not be any men eligible for higher paying jobs thanks to the concerted effort to discriminate against them in the name of "social justice".

I'll expect all you do gooder Liberals to be on the front line bitching about the pay discrepancy where men are making less than women. [but I know it won't happen .. you guys will be chanting Justice Justice Justice]