| 1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 6:24PM #1 | |
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This is probably a good idea (the humility part) but I do not think the advice will be taken. Neither the Israeli left nor the right is likely to give up their positions or admit that they could be wrong (and it is even less likely that the anti-Israel folks will ever do so).
So where are you, left? right? or somewhere in between? How does one decide which is the right course when all courses inevitably "lead to disaster" (at least according to someone) ? A dose of humility needed in predicting Israel’s future . . . In the debate about Israel’s future, Jews on both the right and the left often argue that if Israel doesn’t listen to them, the Jewish state will face certain ruin. It’s high time that they start showing some intellectual humility, which begins with the notion that there’s a lot that we don’t know, and that events can and often do turn out differently than any of us can predict. Some voices on the right assert that ifIsraelagrees to a two-state solution, it will be left with “Auschwitz borders” indefensible against ultimate and inevitable attack. You can see this kind of rhetoric in recent comments made by a government minister at a rally with settlers. Likewise, Ronn Torossian, a New York public relations executive, slammed the Obama Administration for what he deemed a call to “return to the Auschwitz borders.” The left is not immune from such extreme prognostication, either. Noted American Jewish liberal thinker Leonard Fein recently wrote the following: I am happy to acknowledge my own fallibility… But respect the view that Israel should hold on to all the West Bank, come what may? To my way of thinking, that is a proposal that Israel commit suicide. Similarly, Haaretz commentator Bradley Burston recently argued that the true Auschwitz borders are the status quo. Bradley furnishes a parade of horribles if Israel fails to cut a deal with the current Palestinian Authority: Such targets as Ben-Gurion International Airport, the towers of Tel Aviv and the settlements themselves will be much more difficult to defend. The security burden of policing an anarchic West Bank will greatly intensify… The longer the occupation endures, the more likely it is that Jews will find themselves a minority in Israel and the West Bank. The apartheid analogy will be complete. . . . As much as they may otherwise claim, the political left and right offer us no ironclad certainties — only worst case scenarios. Those of us in the center must keep our wits about us, and be uneasy without becoming unhinged. For all, a dose of humility is in order. full article: blogs.timesofisrael.com/a-dose-of-humili... |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 6:51PM #2 | |
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1SS wiill be the future, that's why I'm in the center Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts. By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result. The result is not the responsibility of this member.![]()
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 6:59PM #3 | |
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Miraj The 1SS is just a bunch of nonsense and its "inevitability" (or desirability for that matter) is based on even more unrealistic predictions and assumptions than either the right or the Left have managed to produce. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 8:09PM #4 | |
Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts. By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result. The result is not the responsibility of this member.![]()
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 27, 2012 - 11:41PM #5 | |
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I don't think the one state thing is nonsense at all. I don't favor it because I think I would result in the end of Israel as a western oriented, free, mostly secular state. But while I oppose it, I do not think it is nonsense nor are those favor it nonsensical...just wrong in my opinion. and THAT we can argue about! Ken
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 28, 2012 - 12:48AM #6 | |
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Your check's in the mail, Ken. j/k A One-State Solution for Israel and Palestine George Bisharat, Professor, UC Hastings College of the Law Posted: 04/10/2012 5:29 pm The international community has struggled for two decades to navigate Israelis and Palestinians toward an oasis of peace and stability. Yet it is increasingly clear that this oasis -- the two-state solution, whereby each of the two peoples would exercise sovereignty within their own state -- is in fact a mirage that continually recedes into the distance, always remaining just beyond reach. In fact, a genuinely sovereign Palestinian state will not be realized any time in the foreseeable future, and quite likely never will be. The obstacles to meaningful Palestinian statehood are constantly mounting, most tangibly in the form of Israel's illegal settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Some 600,000 Jewish settlers now reside there -- three times as many as at the beginning of the Oslo peace process in 1993, and their numbers are growing rapidly. . . . Not all support for a single state emanates from progressive thinkers, however. Members of Israel's right wing are also beginning to seriously mull the advantages of a single state: no borders would have to be drawn, Jerusalem would remain undivided, and Jewish settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank -- at least if desegregated -- could remain where they are. Current Knesset speaker Reuven Rivlin, for example, stated in a 2010 interview in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz: "I would rather Palestinians as citizens of this country over dividing the land up." He further advocated "true partnership" between Jews and Palestinians and relations based on mutual respect and absolute equality. Continued at the headline link.
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 28, 2012 - 1:18AM #7 | |
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In my opinion, it is a bit odd talking about a one state solution without specifying a solution for what. If it is the solution for ending the continued existence of the Jewish State of Israel, then instituting a one state solution will most likely be successful. But there is nothing about a one state solution that would lead to a conclusion that it is a solution for the conflict. Indeed, nearly everywhere that one-state solutions have been in place, they almost invariably end in civil war and a great deal of bloodshed. This is the case with Iraq, Sudan, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Chechnya and other examples. So, the one-staters have to do more than just assert that their proposal will end the conflict as there is nothing in the proposal that automatically leads to that result. They will have to be very clear about this if they expect the average Israeli not to believe that a one-state solution is nothing more than the continuation of the war to destroy the State of Israel by other means. Habesor
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 28, 2012 - 2:48PM #8 | |
>>>>>>>> One state solution has the potential to solve major issues between cousins!! Let us see how far we go with it. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 28, 2012 - 5:24PM #9 | |
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BDboy It is going no where because no one who actually supports the national rights of the Jewish people or Israel would support it and no one who is honest about their intentions on the Arab side would either. The only ones who support the non solution of one state are those who believe that doing so will crush the national aspirations and identity of the other side. There is absolutely not one bit of good faith in the one state solution proposal. |
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| 1 year ago :: Apr 28, 2012 - 6:01PM #10 | |
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Although it should not need repeating, here is yet another explanation as to why the world needs a Jewish state and why Jews need the Jewish State and why no one is going to convince Israeli Jews to simply give away the Jewish State. Tell me about the future of the Jews |
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