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6 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2012 - 10:56AM #11
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 6:42PM, solfeggio wrote:

Earlier this week, former president Jimmy Carter opened the three-day international World Summit of Nobel Peace Laureates in Chicago.  He challenged young people to stand up against unnecessary wars, and he held the U.S. government accountable for making pre-emptive strikes. 

In his speech, Carter noted that 'For the last 60 years, our country has been almost constantly at war.  Now we are contemplating going to war again, perhaps in Iran.'   He said that the U.S. has a responsibility to set a standard for others to follow, but at least in some cases, the US has engaged in 'completely unnecessary' wars. 

Mikhail Gorbachev, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990, said that people have been asking him what should be done to improve America.  'They give the signal that America does need advice.  America does need to listen to what people are saying throughout the world.'

(Now that Mr. Carter has dared to criticise his own country's policies, does this mean that he'll be sent to Gitmo?)  


>>>>>>>> president Carter only quoted history that, US took part in many wars in last 60 years. Many agree with most of those and many feel some of them were not necessary.

I do not feel US is a warmonger. But some of the wars fought by US can be explored to avoid unnecessary future conflicts.

For example, I agree with the argument of fighting extreamist groups for Afghan war but we saw it needed a much smaller operation to remove certain leaders not an invasion to the whole country. That war was "Used" by "Dubya" to get elected one more time. Did not serve any interest of America.

Need not to use a cannon to shot a fly!!

There is not even a credible argument for Iraq invasion, which caused around half a million lives lost for both sides. Sadly most of them were civilians!!

Don't think Russians have ability to "Improve America". Maybe down the road but not today!!

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6 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 12:09AM #12
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6 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 1:53PM #13
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I would not categorize the US as 'warmonger', but too often it has been guilty of 'meddler' or 'interferer'. Take a look at this list,

1950–53 – The United States responded to North Korean invasion of South Korea by going to its assistance, pursuant to United Nations Security Council resolutions. US forces deployed in Korea exceeded 300,000 during the last year of the conflict. Over 36,600 US military were killed in action. This one was legitimate, at the behest of the UN/

1950–55 – Formosa (Taiwan). In June 1950 at the beginning of the Korean War, President Truman ordered the US Seventh Fleet to prevent Chinese Communist attacks upon Formosa and Chinese Nationalist operations against mainland China. I'd label this one as 'meddling'.

1955–64 – Vietnam. First military advisors sent to Vietnam on 12 Feb 1955. By 1964, US troop levels had grown to 21,000. On 7 August 1964, US Congress approved Gulf of Tonkin resolution affirming "All necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States. . .to prevent further aggression. . . (and) assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asian Collective Defense Treaty (SEATO) requesting assistance. . ." Legitimate, to a point, under SEATO.

1958 – Lebanon.  Marines were landed in Lebanon at the invitation of the Lebanese President  to help protect against threatened insurrection supported from the outside. The President's action was supported by a Congressional resolution passed in 1957 that authorized such actions in that area of the world. Despite the fact that the President of Lebanon, Camille Chamoun, invited US intervention, I believe the US should not have responded.

1959 - Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes", who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. Obvious interference!

1959–75 – US military advisers had been in South Vietnam for a decade, and their numbers had been increased as the military position of the Saigon government became weaker. After citing what he termed were attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf, President Johnson asked in August 1964 for a resolution expressing US determination to support freedom and protect peace in Southeast Asia. Congress responded with the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, expressing support for "all necessary measures" the President might take to repel armed attacks against US forces and prevent further aggression. Following this resolution, and following a Communist attack on a US installation in central Vietnam, the United States escalated its participation in the war to a peak of 543,000 military personnel by April 1969. Huge mistake to continue what was obviously an unwinnable war (Afghanistan, anyone?)

1962 – Thailand. The Third Marine Expeditionary Unit landed on May 17, 1962 to support that country during the threat of Communist pressure from outside; by July 30, the 5,000 marines had been withdrawn.

1962–75 – Laos. From October 1962 until 1975, the United States played an important role in military support of anti-Communist forces in Laos. More meddling.

1964 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent four transport planes to provide airlift for Congolese troops during a rebellion and to transport Belgian paratroopers to rescue foreigners.

1965 – Invasion of Dominican Republic. The United States intervened to protect lives and property during a Dominican revolt and sent 20,000 US troops as fears grew that the revolutionary forces were coming increasingly under Communist control. A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country's elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes. More meddling.

1967 – Congo (Zaire). The United States sent three military transport aircraft with crews to provide the Congo central government with logistical support during a revolt.[RL30172]

1968 – Laos & Cambodia. U.S. starts secret bombing campaign against targets the in the sovereign nations. The bombings last at least two years. More meddling.

1970 –  Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Norodom Sihanouk, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people. US troops were ordered into Cambodia to clean out Communist sanctuaries from which Viet Cong and North Vietnamese attacked US and South Vietnamese forces in Vietnam. The object of this attack, which lasted from April 30 to June 30, was to ensure the continuing safe withdrawal of American forces from South Vietnam.

1973 –  the United States delivers weapons and supplies to Israel during the Yom Kippur war. More meddling.

1978 – Zaire (Congo). From May 19 through June 1978, the United States utilized military transport aircraft to provide logistical support to Belgian and French rescue operations in Zaire.

1979 - Nicaragua — Anastasio Somoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Somoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. The CIA-backed Contras guerrilla war against the Sandinista government continued throughout the 1980s. More meddling.

1980 - El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Óscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D’Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. Death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed. More meddling.

1980 - U.S. Army and Air Force units arrive in the Sinai in September as part of "Operation Bright Star". They are there to train with Egyptians armed forces as part of the Camp David peace accords signed in 1979. Elements of the 101st Airborne Division, ( 1st Battalion, 502nd Infantry) and Air Force MAC (Military Airlift Command) units are in theater for four months and are the first U.S. military forces in the region since World War II. More meddling.

1981 – El Salvador. After a guerrilla offensive against the government of El Salvador, additional US military advisers were sent to El Salvador, bringing the total to approximately 55, to assist in training government forces in counterinsurgency.

1982 – Sinai. On March 19, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of military personnel and equipment to the Sinai. Participation had been authorized by the Multinational Force and Observers Resolution, Public Law 97-132.

1982 – Lebanon. On August 21, 1982, President Reagan reported the dispatch of 800 Marines to serve in the multinational force to assist in the withdrawal of members of the Palestine Liberation force from Beirut. The Marines left September 20, 1982.

1982–83 – Lebanon. On September 29, 1982, President Reagan reported the deployment of 1200 marines to serve in a temporary multinational force to facilitate the restoration of Lebanese government sovereignty. On September 29, 1983, Congress passed the Multinational Force in Lebanon Resolution (P.L. 98-119) authorizing the continued participation for eighteen months

1983 – Grenada. Citing the increased threat of Soviet and Cuban influence and noting the development of an international airport following a bloodless Grenada coup d'état and alignment with the Soviets and Cuba, the U.S. invades the island nation of Grenada. More meddling.

1983–89 – Honduras. In July 1983 the United States undertook a series of exercises in Honduras that some believed might lead to conflict with Nicaragua. On March 25, 1986, unarmed US military helicopters and crewmen ferried Honduran troops to the Nicaraguan border to repel Nicaraguan troops. More meddling.

1983 – Chad. On August 8, 1983, President Reagan reported the deployment of two AWACS electronic surveillance planes and eight F-15 fighter planes and ground logistical support forces to assist Chad against Libyan and rebel forces. More meddling.

1986 – Libya.  On April 16, 1986, President Reagan reported that U.S. air and naval forces had conducted bombing strikes on terrorist facilities and military installations in the Libyan capitol of Tripoli, claiming that Col. Gaddafi, the Libyan leader  was responsible for a bomb attack at a German disco that killed two U.S. soldiers. Over-reaction?

1986 - Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination. Meddling, again.

1987–88 – Persian Gulf. The United States increased US joint military forces operations in the Persian Gulf and adopted a policy of reflagging and escorting Kuwaiti oil tankers through the Persian Gulf to protect them from Iraqi and Iranian attacks. It was the largest naval convoy operation since World War II. This one was all about oil!

1988 – Honduras. An emergency deployment of U.S. troops to Honduras in 1988, as a result of threatening actions by the forces of the (then socialist) Nicaraguans. More meddling.

1988 – Panama. In mid-March and April 1988, during a period of instability in Panama and as the United States increased pressure on Manuel Noriega, Panamanian head of state, to resign, the United States sent 1,000 troops to Panama, to "further safeguard the canal, US lives, property and interests in the area." The forces supplemented 10,000 US military personnel already in the Panama Canal Zone.

1989 – Libya. On January 4, 1989, two US Navy F-14 aircraft based on the USS John F. Kennedy shot down two Libyan jet fighters over the Mediterranean Sea about 70 miles north of Libya. The US pilots said the Libyan planes had demonstrated hostile intentions.

1989 – Panama. On May 11, 1989, in response to General Noriega's disregard of the results of the Panamanian election, President Bush ordered a brigade-sized force of approximately 1,900 troops to augment the estimated 1,000 U.S. forces already in the area.[]The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA's payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA's knowledge since 1972. See where meddling gets you?

1989 – Philippines. Operation Classic Resolve. On December 2, 1989, President Bush reported that on December 1, Air Force fighters had assisted the Aquino government to repel an attempted coup.

1989–90 – Panama. On December 21, 1989, President Bush reported that he had ordered US military forces to Panama to protect the lives of American citizens and bring General Noriega to justice. By February 13, 1990, all the invasion forces had been withdrawn. Around 200 Panamanian civilians were reported killed. The Panamanian head of state, General Manuel Noriega, was captured and brought to the U.S. Chickens coming home to roost!

1990 – Saudi Arabia: On August 9, 1990, President Bush launched Operation Desert Shield by ordering the forward deployment of substantial elements of the U.S. armed forces into the Persian Gulf region to help defend Saudi Arabia after the invasion of Kuwait by Iraq on August 2. On November 16, 1990, he reported the continued buildup of the forces to ensure an adequate offensive military option. Please don't try to tell me that this was about anything other than oil!

1991 – Iraq and Kuwait. On January 16, 1991, in response to the refusal by Iraq to leave Kuwait, U.S. and Coalition aircraft attacked Iraqi forces and military targets in Iraq and Kuwait with a coalition of UN allies. In February, U.S.-led United Nation (UN) forces finally drove Iraqi forces out of Kuwait within 100 hours. Combat operations ended on February 28, 1991, when President Bush declared a ceasefire.

1991 – Iraq: On May 17, 1991, President Bush stated that the Iraqi repression of the Kurdish people had necessitated a limited introduction of U.S. forces into northern Iraq for emergency relief purposes.

1992–1996 – Bosnia and Herzegovina: a humanitarian relief operation  from July 2, 1992, to January 9, 1996, which made it the longest running humanitarian airlift in history.

1992 – Kuwait: On August 3, 1992, the United States began a series of military exercises in Kuwait, following Iraqi refusal to recognize a new border drawn up by the United Nations and refusal to cooperate with UN inspection teams.

1992–2003 – Iraq. The U.S., United Kingdom, and it's Gulf War allies declared and enforced "no-fly zones" over the majority of sovereign Iraqi airspace, prohibiting Iraqi flights in zones in southern Iraq and northern Iraq, and conducting aerial reconnaissance and bombings. Oftentimes, Iraqi forces continued throughout a decade by firing on U.S. and British aircraft patrolling no-fly zones.

1992–1995 – Somalia. Operation Restore Hope. Somali Civil War: On December 10, 1992, President Bush reported that he had deployed U.S. armed forces to Somalia in response to a humanitarian crisis and a UN Security Council Resolution in support for UNITAF. The operation came to an end on May 4, 1993. U.S. forces continued to participate in the successor United Nations Operation in Somalia (UNOSOM II).(See also Battle of Mogadishu)[RL30172]

1993-1995 - Bosnia.  On April 12, 1993, in response to a United Nations Security Council resolution, U.S. and NATO enforced the no-fly zone over the Bosnian airspace, prohibited all unauthorized flights and allowed to "take all necessary measures to ensure compliance with [the no-fly zone restrictions]."

1993 – Macedonia: On July 9, 1993, President Clinton reported the deployment of 350 U.S. soldiers to the Republic of Macedonia to participate in the UN Protection Force to help maintain stability in the area of former Yugoslavia.

1994–1995 – Haiti.  U.S. ships had begun embargo against Haiti. Up to 20,000 U.S. military troops were later deployed to Haiti to restore democratically-elected Haiti President Aristide from a military regime which came into power in 1991 after a major coup.

1994 – Macedonia: On April 19, 1994, President Clinton reported that the U.S. contingent in Macedonia had been increased by a reinforced company of 200 personnel.

1995 – Bosnia. In August, 1995, U.S. and NATO aircraft responded to a Bosnian-Serb mortar attck on a market in Sarajevo, began a major bombing campaign This operation lasted until September 20, 1995.

1998 – Iraq. U.S. and British forces conduct a major four-day bombing campaign from December 16–19, 1998 on Iraqi targets. More oil-related action. 

  • 2001 – On October 7, 2001, US Armed Forces invade Afghanistan, in response to the World Trade Centre destruction, to "begin combat action in Afghanistan against Al Qaeda terrorists and their Taliban supporters."
  • 2003–2011 – March 20, 2003. The United States leads a coalition that includes Britain, Australia and Spain to invade Iraq with the stated goal being "to disarm Iraq in pursuit of peace, stability, and security both in the Gulf region and in the United States." (They forgot to mention oil!)
  • 2011 - Nigeria. US Combat troops sent in as advisers to Nigeria. Shades of Vietnam.
  • 2011 - Uganda. US Combat troops sent in as advisers to Uganda. More shades of Vietnam.

In addition to the operations listed above, the US uses various methods to influence events in other countries. These methods include:

  • Weapons sales
  • Military advice and training e.g. through the School of the Americas

Maybe not a warmonger, but the US seems to respond to any opportunity to flex its military/industrial complex muscles!

"God is no captious sophister, eager to trip us up whenever we say amiss, but a courteous tutor, ready to amend what, in our weakness or our ignorance, we say ill, and to make the most of what we say aright."  from 'A Learned Discourse on Justification', a sermon by Richard Hooker (1554-1600).
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6 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 10:23AM #14
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What you've given us, Mostyn, is a comprehensive list of actions in an endless war that started in 1949 and continues today. We've had one major change of "designated satan" during that time.

The endless war is mainly waged by the empire on its own citizens, for the purpose of keeping them frightened, stupid, and poor. Also, there's a lot of money to be made for a few people who profit from the business of war.

See "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" by Emmanuel Goldstein, a fictional book by a fictional author, excerpted within the pages of "1984" by George Orwell.

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6 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 2:43PM #15
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Jimmy is talking out of his liberal ass as usual.

The country has had two warmongers from Texas in the White House' that hardly translates to the whole US being warmongers.

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6 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 2:51PM #16
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That is like saying you are NOT what you eat.    those two you speak of were duly elected as is the one that is duly elected right now and they monger war like there is no tomorrow.   Of course the war profiteers are making money and I often wonder how they imagine we collective warmongers will endlessly  pay for it all.     

Human nature leads people to put each other in neat boxes. Some put all women into one category, even though Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton both exist. Black Lives Matter activists are arrested for civil disobedience nationwide, but we talk about “the black vote” as though Republican Ben Carson isn’t running for president and conservative Clarence Thomas isn’t a justice of the Supreme Court.

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6 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 5:16PM #17
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Am I the only one on this board who remembers President Eisenhower's dire warnings about not allowing the military/industrial complex to grow so powerful? I doubt if Ike would be a member of the present-day Republican Party, either. 

"God is no captious sophister, eager to trip us up whenever we say amiss, but a courteous tutor, ready to amend what, in our weakness or our ignorance, we say ill, and to make the most of what we say aright."  from 'A Learned Discourse on Justification', a sermon by Richard Hooker (1554-1600).
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6 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 6:53PM #18
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May 6, 2012 -- 2:51PM, Find1Answer wrote:

That is like saying you are NOT what you eat.    those two you speak of were duly elected as is the one that is duly elected right now and they monger war like there is no tomorrow.   Of course the war profiteers are making money and I often wonder how they imagine we collective warmongers will endlessly  pay for it all.     

Being duly elected is not a blank check to start illegal and immoral wars.

It is the responsibility of congress to declare war, howevr, it takes balls to do so and they just roll over and give the imbeciles whatever they want.

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