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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 8:26AM #21
shmuelgoldstein
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 3:07PM, KindredSai wrote:


I don't think the issue here is about what Israelis can call it. The issue here is about what the Guardian cites and it's not incorrect in British opinion.




Fact: Israel's Parliament is located in Jerusalem


Fact: Israel's Supreme Court is located in Jerusalem.


Fact: The residence of the Prime Minister and the President of Israel are in Jerusalem.


Fact: Most main government offices are located in Jerusalem.


Fact: Israel considers Jerusalem the capital of Israel.


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Fact: Most nations of the world do not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


 


(and this has nothing to do with those parts of Jerusalem liberated in the Six-Day War).


 


To deny that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel is a political, not a factual, statement.


To not recognize it as the capital and locate your embassy in a different city is a political and diplomatic act that does not reflect the reality of the situation.


If the Guardian wants to make a political statement, that's fine. But it is not a statement based on fact.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 9:19AM #22
BDboy
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Apr 30, 2012 -- 8:26AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 3:07PM, KindredSai wrote:


I don't think the issue here is about what Israelis can call it. The issue here is about what the Guardian cites and it's not incorrect in British opinion.




Fact: Israel's Parliament is located in Jerusalem


Fact: Israel's Supreme Court is located in Jerusalem.


Fact: The residence of the Prime Minister and the President of Israel are in Jerusalem.


Fact: Most main government offices are located in Jerusalem.


Fact: Israel considers Jerusalem the capital of Israel.


but


Fact: Most nations of the world do not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


 


(and this has nothing to do with those parts of Jerusalem liberated in the Six-Day War).


 


To deny that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel is a political, not a factual, statement.


To not recognize it as the capital and locate your embassy in a different city is a political and diplomatic act that does not reflect the reality of the situation.


If the Guardian wants to make a political statement, that's fine. But it is not a statement based on fact.




 


>>>>>>>>> Maybe Israel will "Help out" all the Muslim residents out of Jerusalem in coming days, it will NOT change FACTS on ground.


Israel uses "Force" to establish what it wishes to do. Problem with this idea is it cannot colonize the world population the way it occupied Palestinian land and parts of Jerusalem!!


Israel is the inspiration for groups like Hamas in more than one ways. Like Israel they also want to "Force" Israel out of Jerusalem, which they feel is "Rightfully" their place.


On a side note, it is also a FACT that, Israeli foreign minister (Secretary of state) lives in Palestinian west Bank. That does NOT make that place "Israel's"!!



 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 9:47AM #23
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BDboy


There is no "West Bank" nor is the area known as Judea and Samaria "Palestinian". The area is part of Israel until such time as Israel may choose to donate portions thereof to help establish yet another Palestinian State. This will happen only through negotiations between the parties, which you oppose. Since you oppose negotiations, you oppose any lands in Judea and Samaria ever being "Palestinian" 


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 30, 2012 - 10:40AM #24
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The US officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital in 1995, when Clinton signed the Jerusalem Embassy Act. The embassy remains in Tel Aviv under a provision of the act that allows the president to waive moving the embassy, citing national security reasons.  Every president since has done so.

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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 1:31AM #25
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Apr 30, 2012 -- 10:40AM, Miraj wrote:


The US officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital in 1995, when Clinton signed the Jerusalem Embassy Act. The embassy remains in Tel Aviv under a provision of the act that allows the president to waive moving the embassy, citing national security reasons.  Every president since has done so.




 Exactly right. Now I would pefer our embassy to be moved to Jerusalem but the president is following the law in keeping it in Tel Aviv on a six month basis, repeated regularly. In my opinion this is nothing more than an attempt to placate Arab opinion re: our policies. Frankly, I don't think it's worth our even trying. Move the embassy to Jerusalem and be done with it!


I'll add also that whereas I'm opposed to the one state solution, the capital of a 'one state' would, obviously be Jerusalem.


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