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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 12:30PM #1
rocketjsquirell
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For those who think the Guardian Newspaper - U.K. - has any credibility at all on issues having to do with ISrael, this should correct that impression.

Foreign Ministry slams Guardian newspaper for insisting Tel Aviv is Israel’s capital
‘When a claim is so factually wrong as to insult intelligence, then unfortunately the word “lie” is not too harsh,’ spokesperson says

Israel reacted with unusually sharp criticism Wednesday to a British newspaper’s designation of Tel Aviv as Israel’s capital, calling it a “blatant lie” that insults people’s intelligence.

On Sunday, the London-based Guardian newspaper ran a correction of a photo caption it had run two days earlier that described Jews in Jerusalem as being in Israel’s capital.

“The caption on a photograph featuring passengers on a tram in Jerusalem observing a two-minute silence for Yom HaShoah, a day of remembrance for the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust, wrongly referred to the city as the Israeli capital,” the correction read. “The Guardian style guide states: ‘Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel;
Tel Aviv is.’”

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Foreign Ministry deputy spokesperson Ilana Stein told The Times of Israel: “Actually, it’s the Guardian who owes an explanation to its readers for publishing something that cannot be described but as a blatant lie. When a claim is so factually wrong as to insult intelligence, then unfortunately the word ‘lie’ is not too harsh, and one cannot but wonder about the motivation of such a conceit.”
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The Guardian’s policy vis-à-vis Israel’s capital raised ire among some British readers. Writing on CiFWatch, a blog critically commenting on the Guardian’s Israel coverage, one person asked: “Is there any other country in the world for which the Guardian’s style guide defines the capital as being other than the city that country has selected as its capital? If any newspaper’s ‘style guide’ decreed that London is not the capital of England, would that not be ludicrous? Is the next step for the Guardian style guide to decide that Israel is not a country but Palestine is, even though exactly the opposite is true?”
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full article:
www.timesofisrael.com/foreign-ministry-s...
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 1:28PM #2
KindredSai
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This Israeli rant is quite laughable because most nations in the world do not accept Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem and do not accept it as being the administrative capital of Israel.


That is why you will find most embassies in Tel Aviv as I understand.


The UK itself sees Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel, Israel cannot dictate the decisions of the international community.


The United States does not even recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 1:55PM #3
rocketjsquirell
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KS


Do you have any problem with the portion of Jerusalem not claimed to be "occupied"  as being in Israel? (I am only asking because, no one else in the world, except for those who argue that Israel should not exist at all, have a problem with it. ) That is where you will find the Knesset Building and most other government buildings. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. You can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretend it is not so, but filling your head with sand doesn't change the facts.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 2:11PM #4
KindredSai
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 1:55PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


KS


Do you have any problem with the portion of Jerusalem not claimed to be "occupied"  as being in Israel? (I am only asking because, no one else in the world, except for those who argue that Israel should not exist at all, have a problem with it. ) That is where you will find the Knesset Building and most other government buildings. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. You can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretend it is not so, but filling your head with sand doesn't change the facts.


 




Touched a nerve?


Only Israel as I understand recognises Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


All nations including the US have embassies in Tel Aviv.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 2:41PM #5
browbeaten
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 2:11PM, KindredSai wrote:


Apr 25, 2012 -- 1:55PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


KS


Do you have any problem with the portion of Jerusalem not claimed to be "occupied"  as being in Israel? (I am only asking because, no one else in the world, except for those who argue that Israel should not exist at all, have a problem with it. ) That is where you will find the Knesset Building and most other government buildings. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. You can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and pretend it is not so, but filling your head with sand doesn't change the facts.


 




Touched a nerve?


Only Israel as I understand recognises Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


All nations including the US have embassies in Tel Aviv.




Special Cases and Unique Situations


Though it might sound simple that consulates are in larger tourist cities and embassies are in capital cities, this is not the case with every instance in the world. There are special cases and several unique situations making some examples complicated.


Jerusalem


One such case is Jerusalem. Though it is the capital and largest city in Israel, no country has its embassy there. Instead, the embassies are located in Tel Aviv because most of the international community does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital. Tel Aviv is identified as the capital for embassies instead because it was the temporary capital of Israel during the Arab blockade of Jerusalem in 1948 and much of the international sentiment on the city has not changed since. Nonetheless, Jerusalem remains home to many consulates.


geography.about.com/od/politicalgeograph...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 2:53PM #6
KindredSai
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Yes and you have hit the nail on the head, it means though Jerusalem is capital of Israel in the opinion of Israelis, most of the international community don't recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.


Thus it would not be incorrect for the Guardian to cite Tel Aviv.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 2:59PM #7
LeahOne
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Er, hasn't part of Jerusalem ALWAYS been in Israel?


That being the case, what right does the guardian or anyone else have to 'not recognize' what the Israelis pick as their capital ?  Since when does 'international opinion' get a freakin' vote on that kind of topic?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 3:07PM #8
KindredSai
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 2:59PM, LeahOne wrote:


Er, hasn't part of Jerusalem ALWAYS been in Israel?


That being the case, what right does the guardian or anyone else have to 'not recognize' what the Israelis pick as their capital ?  Since when does 'international opinion' get a freakin' vote on that kind of topic?




Not really.


Even West Jerusalem wasn't recognised as part of Israel after 1948 but corpus seperatum. And that status has always been accepted by the US, UK and other major powers.


I don't think the issue here is about what Israelis can call it. The issue here is about what the Guardian cites and it's not incorrect in British opinion.


The real issue here along with the Jewish narrative that Zionists want us all to believe in in the enforcment of the opinion that Jerusalem is part of the State of Israel as an eternal capital.


Israel likes to dictate world opinion and international law.


Funny that.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 3:11PM #9
rocketjsquirell
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KS


International law is quite clear on the issue: all of Jerusalem is Israel. Of course to reach that conclusion you 1. have to know something about what all of the various documents related to the region actually say and mean and 2. have to apply the same standards to Israel and the Arab/Israeli conflict as are applied to all other nations and conflict situations.


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UK paper 'names' Tel Aviv Israel's capital

Guardian 'corrects' caption on photo of Jerusalem residents riding the new light rail, saying Tel Aviv is Israel's capital
Mistakes on news websites can be hurtful, amusing, or damaging. Sometimes, they're painfully political. As such, the British Guardian recently misidentified the capital of Israel.

 

The Guardian, which runs a column devoted to corrections and clarifications about its content, issued one such correction about a photo caption that stated that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
According to the "correction," Tel Aviv is Israel's capital city, not Jerusalem.

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The controversy over international recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital is nothing new. Recently, the issue was raised before the US Supreme Court in the case of Menachem Zivotofsky, who was born in the city and whose parents – US citizens – are seeking to have him registered as an American born in Israel.

. . .

President Barack Obama is following in Bush's footsteps and every six months has signed an executive order countermanding the law (which requires that the U.S. embassy be moved to Jerusalem - Israel's a capital) for reasons of national security.  

full article:
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-42208...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 25, 2012 - 3:12PM #10
BDboy
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Apr 25, 2012 -- 12:30PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

For those who think the Guardian Newspaper - U.K. - has any credibility at all on issues having to do with ISrael, this should correct that impression.

Foreign Ministry slams Guardian newspaper for insisting Tel Aviv is Israel’s capital
‘When a claim is so factually wrong as to insult intelligence, then unfortunately the word “lie” is not too harsh,’ spokesperson says

Israel reacted with unusually sharp criticism Wednesday to a British newspaper’s designation of Tel Aviv as Israel’s capital, calling it a “blatant lie” that insults people’s intelligence.



 


>>>>>>>> Well it is "Israeli" foreign ministry after all.


The guy who runs the ministry also lives in a "foreign land" and enters Israel from a foreign country. It may sound strange but Israeli FM actually lives in illigally occupied land of "West Bank".


So I do not expect him to tell us anything with any kind of accuracy.


Give it few more years, the same guy will probably say Amman (Jordan's capital) is the "Biblical capital" of "Jewish Israel".


With such a "Foreign minister", anything is possible.





 

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