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2 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 3:42PM #1
JAstor
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Darkness continues to engulf the land of the Pharaohs.


Egypt comedian found guilty of offending Islam


CAIRO (AP) — An Egyptian court on Tuesday upheld a conviction against one of the Arab world's most famous comedians, sentencing him to jail for offending Islam in some of his most popular films.


The case against Adel Imam and others like it have raised concerns among some Egyptians that ultraconservative Muslims who made gains in recent elections after Hosni Mubarak's ouster last year are trying to foist their religious views on the entire country. Critics say the trend threatens to curb Egypt's vibrant film industry andfreedom of speech.


Imam was sentenced to three months in jail and fined around $170 for insulting Islam in roles he played in movies such as "The Terrorist", in which he acted the role of a wanted terrorist who found refuge with a middle class, moderate family, and the film "Terrorism and Kabab. "


The actor was also found guilty for his 2007 role in "Morgan Ahmed Morgan," in which Imam played a corrupt businessman who tries to buy a university diploma. The film included a scene parodying bearded Muslim men wearing traditional Islamic clothing.


The case is one of many brought by conservative lawyers in recent months seeking to punish individuals they deem as having offended Islam. Earlier this year, two courts rejected blasphemy cases against Christian media mogul, Naguib Sawiris, after he relayed a cartoon online of Mickey Mouse with a beard and Minnie in a face veil....




 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 24, 2012 - 4:33PM #2
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Are there countries where it is a crime to insult Christianity? Are there countries where it is a crime to insult Judaism?


Can anyone explain why certain countries would make it a crime to insult Islam or why a place like Turkey makes it a crime to insult Turkishness? Do countries which have such legislation also make it a crime to insult other religions and/or other cultures? What is the motivation behind such measures? Does anyone think that such measures are discriminatory?


I will hold my comments until others respond, since I do not want to make the thread into a Rocket says this and . . . situation.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 2:53PM #3
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Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:06PM #4
Miraj
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:53PM, JAstor wrote:


Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.





That's par for the course.  It's only amazing that his acquittal was readily reported.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:09PM #5
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:06PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:53PM, JAstor wrote:


Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.





That's par for the course.  It's only amazing that his acquittal was readily reported.




It's also apparently par for the course in theocratic-autorcratic societies to put people on trial for thought crimes.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:25PM #6
Miraj
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:09PM, JAstor wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:06PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:53PM, JAstor wrote:


Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.





That's par for the course.  It's only amazing that his acquittal was readily reported.




It's also apparently par for the course in theocratic-autorcratic societies to put people on trial for thought crimes.





So true.


Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986*

Definitions 1. In this Law, "crime against the Jewish people" and "crime against humanity" have the same respective meanings as in the "Nazis and Nazi Collaborators Law, 5710-1950[1].

Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust 2. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Prohibition of publication of expression for sympathy for Nazi crimes 3. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement expressing praise or sympathy for or identification with acts done in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Permitted publication 4. The publication of a correct and fair report of a publication prohibited by this Law shall not be regarded as an offence thereunder so long as it is not made with intent to express sympathy or identification with the perpetrators of crimes against the Jewish people or against humanity.

Filing of charge 5. An indictment for offences under this Law shall only be filed by or with the consent of the Attorney-General.


SHIMON PERES - Prime Minister


YITZCHAK MODAI - Minister of Justice


CHAIM HERZOG - President of the State


* Passed by the Knesset on the lst Tammuz, 5746 (8th July, 1986) and published in Sefer Ha-Chukkim No. 1187 of the 9th Tammuz, 5746 (16th July, 1986), p. 196; the Bill and an Explanatory Note were published in Hatzaot Chok No. 1743 of 5745, p. 250.


[1] Sefer Ha-Chukkim of 5710, p. 28 1,LSI vol. IV, p. 154.203 56) (No. 56)

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:32PM #7
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Miraj


If you are trying to make some kind of point you are not succeeding. Kindly explain the equivalency you obviously see between the Israeli law (as cited by you) and the laws under which people are tried and convicted for insulting Islam, or insulting Turkishness, etc...


Thank you for your cooperation.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:33PM #8
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:32PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Miraj


If you are trying to make some kind of point you are not succeeding. Kindly explain the equivalency you obviously see between the Israeli law (as cited by you) and the laws under which people are tried and convicted for insulting Islam, or insulting Turkishness, etc...


Thank you for your cooperation.




All are thought crimes.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:51PM #9
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:25PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:09PM, JAstor wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:06PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:53PM, JAstor wrote:


Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.





That's par for the course.  It's only amazing that his acquittal was readily reported.




It's also apparently par for the course in theocratic-autorcratic societies to put people on trial for thought crimes.





So true.


Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986*

Definitions 1. In this Law, "crime against the Jewish people" and "crime against humanity" have the same respective meanings as in the "Nazis and Nazi Collaborators Law, 5710-1950[1].

Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust 2. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Prohibition of publication of expression for sympathy for Nazi crimes 3. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement expressing praise or sympathy for or identification with acts done in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Permitted publication 4. The publication of a correct and fair report of a publication prohibited by this Law shall not be regarded as an offence thereunder so long as it is not made with intent to express sympathy or identification with the perpetrators of crimes against the Jewish people or against humanity.

Filing of charge 5. An indictment for offences under this Law shall only be filed by or with the consent of the Attorney-General.


SHIMON PERES - Prime Minister


YITZCHAK MODAI - Minister of Justice


CHAIM HERZOG - President of the State


* Passed by the Knesset on the lst Tammuz, 5746 (8th July, 1986) and published in Sefer Ha-Chukkim No. 1187 of the 9th Tammuz, 5746 (16th July, 1986), p. 196; the Bill and an Explanatory Note were published in Hatzaot Chok No. 1743 of 5745, p. 250.


[1] Sefer Ha-Chukkim of 5710, p. 28 1,LSI vol. IV, p. 154.203 56) (No. 56)




I'm surprised at you, Miraj. I wouldn't have equated the danger of Neo-Nazi Holocaust denial with the danger of Islam, but then again I'm not you. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2012 - 3:56PM #10
Miraj
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Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:51PM, JAstor wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:25PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:09PM, JAstor wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 3:06PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 26, 2012 -- 2:53PM, JAstor wrote:


Signs of hope for democracy in Egypt...


Egypt movie star acquitted of insulting Islam


(Reuters) - Egypt's Adel Imam, the Arab world's most famous comic actor, had a conviction and three-month prison sentence for insulting Islam in his films and plays overturned on appeal, a state newspaper reported on Thursday.





That's par for the course.  It's only amazing that his acquittal was readily reported.




It's also apparently par for the course in theocratic-autorcratic societies to put people on trial for thought crimes.





So true.


Denial of Holocaust (Prohibition) Law, 5746-1986*

Definitions 1. In this Law, "crime against the Jewish people" and "crime against humanity" have the same respective meanings as in the "Nazis and Nazi Collaborators Law, 5710-1950[1].

Prohibition of Denial of Holocaust 2. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement denying or diminishing the proportions of acts committed in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, with intent to defend the perpetrators of those acts or to express sympathy or identification with them, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Prohibition of publication of expression for sympathy for Nazi crimes 3. A person who, in writing or by word of mouth, publishes any statement expressing praise or sympathy for or identification with acts done in the period of the Nazi regime, which are crimes against the Jewish people or crimes against humanity, shall be liable to imprisonment for a term of five years.

Permitted publication 4. The publication of a correct and fair report of a publication prohibited by this Law shall not be regarded as an offence thereunder so long as it is not made with intent to express sympathy or identification with the perpetrators of crimes against the Jewish people or against humanity.

Filing of charge 5. An indictment for offences under this Law shall only be filed by or with the consent of the Attorney-General.


SHIMON PERES - Prime Minister


YITZCHAK MODAI - Minister of Justice


CHAIM HERZOG - President of the State


* Passed by the Knesset on the lst Tammuz, 5746 (8th July, 1986) and published in Sefer Ha-Chukkim No. 1187 of the 9th Tammuz, 5746 (16th July, 1986), p. 196; the Bill and an Explanatory Note were published in Hatzaot Chok No. 1743 of 5745, p. 250.


[1] Sefer Ha-Chukkim of 5710, p. 28 1,LSI vol. IV, p. 154.203 56) (No. 56)




I'm surprised at you, Miraj. I wouldn't have equated the danger of Neo-Nazi Holocaust denial with the danger of Islam, but then again I'm not you. 





Don't project your fears on me.  I find no danger in thinking about either.

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