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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 7:13PM #101
Miraj
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There is an Israeli lobby media buzzsaw coming at 60 Minutes over this piece.  Even economist and Pulitzer Prize winner Paul Krugman commented on the dangers of disagreeing with Israel in this recent post in the NYT


April 24, 2012, 2:54 PM


The Crisis of Zionism


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The truth is that like many liberal American Jews — and most American Jews are still liberal — I basically avoid thinking about where Israel is going. It seems obvious from here that the narrow-minded policies of the current government are basically a gradual, long-run form of national suicide — and that’s bad for Jews everywhere, not to mention the world. But I have other battles to fight, and to say anything to that effect is to bring yourself under intense attack from organized groups that try to make any criticism of Israeli policies tantamount to anti-Semitism.

Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts.  By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result.  The result is not the responsibility of this member.


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2 years ago  ::  May 01, 2012 - 8:52PM #102
rocketjsquirell
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Miraj


Even smart people can be wrong. Most of the professional "Liberal" establishment is wrong about Israel. They tend to take very un-liberal positions and support those who stand against liberal values - the Arab Palestinian apologists. What is sadder, is they often fail to even bother with obtaining the facts, sort of like CBS.  

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2 years ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 8:27AM #103
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"There is an Israeli lobby media buzzsaw coming at 60 Minutes over this piece.  Even economist and Pulitzer Prize winner Paul Krugman commented on the dangers of disagreeing with Israel in this recent post in the NYT"


It is hard for any reasonable person to understand why don't Jews themselves stand up to this kind of nonsence. Surely they realise what damage it is doing to the reputation of Jewish communities worldwide. It is kind of a thing everybody knows about and talks about but you must speak with hushed voice for fear a 'wrong' person will hear you.


This is going back to the dark ages.


 


 

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2 years ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 2:38PM #104
BDboy
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May 2, 2012 -- 8:27AM, Dostojevsky wrote:


"There is an Israeli lobby media buzzsaw coming at 60 Minutes over this piece.  Even economist and Pulitzer Prize winner Paul Krugman commented on the dangers of disagreeing with Israel in this recent post in the NYT"


It is hard for any reasonable person to understand why don't Jews themselves stand up to this kind of nonsence. Surely they realise what damage it is doing to the reputation of Jewish communities worldwide. It is kind of a thing everybody knows about and talks about but you must speak with hushed voice for fear a 'wrong' person will hear you.


This is going back to the dark ages.


 


 




>>>>>>>>> Exactly, for some fanatics it taints a much larger Jewish population world wide. It is immoral and against "American values" to force people not to speak. Palestinian Chrisrtians are under assult by expantionist zionist policies of Israeli givernment. CBS only shared that news with people.


The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee is standing behind CBS for being brave and speaking the truth against an assult by fanatic supporters of current Israeli policies. Here is what they said...


 






Thank 60 Minutes for Segment on Palestinian Christians


Last night, 60 Minutes aired a segment entitled “Christians of the Holy Land” that offered American viewers an unprecdented look into the lives and circumstances of Palestinian Christians and warned about the potential effects of, among other things, Israel’s occupation, wall and policies toward Palestinians on the continued presence of Christians in the Holy Land. It alerted viewers to the fact that, if continued, these policies will likely lead to the end of a Christian presence in the birthplace of Christianity itself. The segment, which can be seen here, was undoubtedly eye-opening to many Americans who have, for too long, remained unaware of the conditions suffered by Palestinian Christians, the self-described “living stones” of the Holy Land.

The segment was also notable in that the Israeli Ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, called the Chairman of CBS News and the Executive Producer of 60 Minutes to protest the reporting of the piece, before it was even aired, a fact that veteran 60 Minutes correspondent, Bob Simon, noted in the segment and about which he confronted Ambassador Oren on air, saying that he had never received such a call in his many years as a journalist. The disclosure of the Israeli Ambassador’s attempt to prevent the segment from even airing offered Americans a revelaing look into the kind of censorship and behind-the-scenes efforts to stifle public discourse about Israeli occupation and discrimination that the Israeli government and its American supporters have practiced for many decades.

In response to the segment, ADC President Warren David stated, “60 Minutes’ segment was an important contribution to our nation’s understanding of the appalling conditions of the Palestinian people in general and the tragic plight of Palestinian Christians in particular. While there were some aspects of the story that we would have liked to have seen emphasized more or less, overall, we found the segment to be a balanced, responsible and informative treatment of a very important subject to Americans, Christians and people the world over who wish to see a Holy Land that is not limited to people of one or another faith, but that instead reflects, celebrates and perpetuates the vibrancy and splendor of religious diversity.”

ADC urges you to contact 60 Minutes to thank them for their courageous and important segment on Palestinian Christians by emailing them at 60m@cbsnews.com.

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NOTE TO EDITORS: The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC), which is non-profit, non-sectarian and non-partisan, is the largest grassroots Arab-American civil rights and civil liberties organization in the United States. It was founded in 1980 by former Senator James Abourezk. ADC has a national network of chapters and members in all 50 states.






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2 years ago  ::  May 02, 2012 - 3:22PM #105
BDboy
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May 2, 2012 -- 2:57PM, browbeaten wrote:


If half-truths are considered "eye-opening", then what does that say about the ADC.  Shame.




 


>>>>>>>> Well that is the popular Arab-American opinion of "Israeli charm offense" in the holy land. Gotta deal with it my friend.


 


Thanks God it is the USA!!


Not Israel...

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2 years ago  ::  May 04, 2012 - 3:32PM #106
BDboy
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I think CBS had to be very couragious to show parts of Zionist agenda to the world. Since it is very difficult to speak about this topic in America for political reasons.

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2 years ago  ::  May 05, 2012 - 6:54AM #107
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May 4, 2012 -- 3:32PM, BDboy wrote:


I think CBS had to be very couragious to show parts of Zionist agenda to the world. Since it is very difficult to speak about this topic in America for political reasons.




Not America alone. Most of the western countries are like one large playground  and their ruling classes parrot each other. Luckily, now and then few brave souls stand up and speak out. They may be threatended, lose their job, but they are admired by the citizerns of the world who value freedom of thought/speech and dignity of man.

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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 4:21PM #108
rocketjsquirell
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Update on the discussion . . . although I doubt that the apologists for Arab Palestinian religious apartheid, racism and terror will pay any attention.

The real root of the Christian exodus
By DAVID PARSONS
05/06/2012 21:59
Palestinian Christians often deflect Muslim anger away from themselves by directing it at the Jews.

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If Bob Simon had truly wanted to know why Arab Christians have been fleeing in droves from Palestinian areas, he should have asked those émigrés now living in Toronto, Sydney and Santiago. Because that is where the majority of Palestinian Christians now reside – in dispersed communities in Canada, Chile, Australia, Germany, the United States and elsewhere.

The disturbing truth is that more than 60 percent of the Arab Christians born in Palestinian areas over the past several generations now live abroad. Yet the same holds true for Lebanese Christians, as a similar 60% of their beleaguered community now live in foreign lands.

Indeed, there has been a widening Christian exodus from all the surrounding Arab countries, with Iraq’s ancient Assyrian Christian community collapsing from 1.5 million to as few as 250,000 since the Second Gulf War commenced in 2003. The Coptic Church in Egypt is also losing tens of thousands of parishioners in the wake of the Arab Spring.

So it is indisputable that Arab Christians are fleeing all across the Middle East, and surely the Israeli occupation is not to blame. Rather, this flight has been primarily due to local conflicts and the rise of Islamic militancy, as noted by Ambassador Oren, and the Palestinian Christians are no exception to this trend. The lone exception, in fact, happens to be the State of Israel, the only place in the entire region where the community of Arab Christians is growing and where Arab Christians are afforded their democratic rights.
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For many Christians in the Middle East, the rebirth of Israel actually stands as a light and model of freedom from Muslim tyranny. But for Palestinian Christians, the conflict that seeks to destroy the Jewish state has been too close for comfort. They are powerless to end it and struggling to survive.

Thus many Palestinian Christian leaders have taken to patriotically waving the flag of Palestinian nationalism higher than even their Muslim neighbors, in the hope such loyalty to the cause will safeguard their flocks.
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We must all understand that they are employing an ancient survival mechanism ingrained through centuries of Muslim oppression. Unable to name the real culprit, Palestinian Christians often deflect Muslim anger away from themselves by directing it at the Jews. Meantime, Ambassador Oren is giving voice to the things they cannot say.

The writer is media director for the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem.

full article:
www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/...

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2 years ago  ::  May 06, 2012 - 5:19PM #109
Miraj
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I doubt that Israel's apologists will be happy with anything that doesn't blame Muslims for everything.  This guy is hardly objective.  He's an official that represents evangelical Christians in Israel.  Funny, in an 2008 article, Missionaries under threat in Israel, Parsons accused Jews of ". . . a series of incidents here in the land that involve harassment, intimidation and physical violence" against Messanic Jews, and said the test would be how vigorously Israeli authorities persued the crimes (sounding not so sure they would).  Parsons is in Israel to represent the interests of a proselytizing faith that opposes other proselytizing faiths, like Islam.  If he has to suck up to Israel's vision of itself, he will, for his mission.


BTW, Bob Simon is Jewish.  Doesn't his view of Israel count?


May 6, 2012 -- 4:21PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Update on the discussion . . . although I doubt that the apologists for Arab Palestinian religious apartheid, racism and terror will pay any attention.

The real root of the Christian exodus
By DAVID PARSONS
05/06/2012 21:59
Palestinian Christians often deflect Muslim anger away from themselves by directing it at the Jews.

. . .

If Bob Simon had truly wanted to know why Arab Christians have been fleeing in droves from Palestinian areas, he should have asked those émigrés now living in Toronto, Sydney and Santiago. Because that is where the majority of Palestinian Christians now reside – in dispersed communities in Canada, Chile, Australia, Germany, the United States and elsewhere.

The disturbing truth is that more than 60 percent of the Arab Christians born in Palestinian areas over the past several generations now live abroad. Yet the same holds true for Lebanese Christians, as a similar 60% of their beleaguered community now live in foreign lands.

Indeed, there has been a widening Christian exodus from all the surrounding Arab countries, with Iraq’s ancient Assyrian Christian community collapsing from 1.5 million to as few as 250,000 since the Second Gulf War commenced in 2003. The Coptic Church in Egypt is also losing tens of thousands of parishioners in the wake of the Arab Spring.

So it is indisputable that Arab Christians are fleeing all across the Middle East, and surely the Israeli occupation is not to blame. Rather, this flight has been primarily due to local conflicts and the rise of Islamic militancy, as noted by Ambassador Oren, and the Palestinian Christians are no exception to this trend. The lone exception, in fact, happens to be the State of Israel, the only place in the entire region where the community of Arab Christians is growing and where Arab Christians are afforded their democratic rights.
. . .

For many Christians in the Middle East, the rebirth of Israel actually stands as a light and model of freedom from Muslim tyranny. But for Palestinian Christians, the conflict that seeks to destroy the Jewish state has been too close for comfort. They are powerless to end it and struggling to survive.

Thus many Palestinian Christian leaders have taken to patriotically waving the flag of Palestinian nationalism higher than even their Muslim neighbors, in the hope such loyalty to the cause will safeguard their flocks.
. . .
We must all understand that they are employing an ancient survival mechanism ingrained through centuries of Muslim oppression. Unable to name the real culprit, Palestinian Christians often deflect Muslim anger away from themselves by directing it at the Jews. Meantime, Ambassador Oren is giving voice to the things they cannot say.

The writer is media director for the International Christian Embassy Jerusalem.

full article:
www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/...





Disclaimer: The opinions of this member are not primarily informed by western ethnocentric paradigms, stereotypes rooted in anti-Muslim/Islam hysteria, "Israel can do no wrong" intransigence, or the perceived need to protect the Judeo-Christian world from invading foreign religions and legal concepts.  By expressing such views, no inherent attempt is being made to derail or hijack threads, but that may be the result.  The result is not the responsibility of this member.


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2 years ago  ::  May 07, 2012 - 1:04AM #110
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Miraj, you wrote:


"BTW, Bob Simon is Jewish.  Doesn't his view of Israel count?"


BTW you are not Jewish. Does that mean that your view does not count? 


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