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Switch to Forum Live View What would happen if Arab and Muslim nations in the Middle East stopped denying Israel's right to...
2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 1:52PM #1
JAstor
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I think many of them would go into existential crisis, having to reexamine their purpose for living. But I want to know what your opinion is. 
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 2:15PM #2
Miraj
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What does a nation's "right to exist" mean?  Under what mandate is such a "right" sourced?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 2:28PM #3
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And here folks is why we have the problem to begin with.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 3:43PM #4
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 2:28PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


And here folks is why we have the problem to begin with.




Well, ya.  


What other nations have a "right" to exist?  North Korea?  Iran?  The Soviet Union?  Nazi Germany? And, with rights come responsibilities?  What is Israel's responsibility to other nations that buttress its ethereal "right"?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:12PM #5
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One can take a look at the list of nation states which currently actually exist, they all have a right to exist so long as that is the desire of their citizenry.  Even nations which were created out of thin air or by former colonial regimes and which have somewhat nonsensical borders like Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and almost every Central and Southern African country have the right to exist. Countries lose their right to exist when their people decide that the country no longer has a right to exist. That is why Czechoslovakia has ceased to exist and we now have the Czech Republic and Slovakia.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:20PM #6
Miraj
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:12PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Miraj


You can take a look at the list of nation states which currently actually exist, they all have a right to exist so long as that is the desire of their citizenry.  Even nations which were created out of thin air or by former colonial regimes and which have somewhat nonsensical borders like Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and almost every Central and Southern African country have the right to exist. Countries lose their right to exist when their people decide that the country no longer has a right to exist. That is why Czechoslovakia has ceased to exist and we now have the Czech Republic and Slovakia.




Rights originate from somewhere and imply that there are inalienable qualities that accompany the "right".


Where does a nation's "right to exist" originate?  


What are the inalienable qualities that accompany the "right"?


If this "right to exist" is supposedly innate, why does it need to be recognized by other nations?


Did nations that no longer exist, for example, Tibet, lose this right?


That a citizenry embraces such a "right" hasn't posed much of a barrier to nations being conquered.  Does the "right to exist" preclude a "right to conquer"?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:21PM #7
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Let it be noted that the nations we are talking about are Arab and Muslim dominated. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:23PM #8
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:21PM, JAstor wrote:


Let it be noted that the nations we are talking about are Arab and Muslim dominated. 




And, Jewish dominated.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:26PM #9
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:23PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:21PM, JAstor wrote:


Let it be noted that the nations we are talking about are Arab and Muslim dominated. 




And, Jewish dominated.




Jewish nations are not denying Israel's right to exist. Only the Arab and Mulsim ones. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 22, 2012 - 4:28PM #10
Miraj
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Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:26PM, JAstor wrote:


Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:23PM, Miraj wrote:


Apr 22, 2012 -- 4:21PM, JAstor wrote:


Let it be noted that the nations we are talking about are Arab and Muslim dominated. 




And, Jewish dominated.




Jewish nations are not denying Israel's right to exist. Only the Arab and Mulsim ones. 




Since there is no "right to exist" for any nation, it's a silly complaint.

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