What would happen if Israel stopped fighting the world?

Miraj

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Apr 20, 2012 -- 9:24PM, habesor wrote:

Actually, once again, Miraj, you have that backwards. For some people racism is only what Israel does. When looking at Israel's neighbors, they see states that are exclusively in the anti-racism business even though, they may adopt laws applying the death sentence to anyone who sells land to a Jew. Hell, Miraj, we even have one person who posts on this forum, who insists that war crimes and murders committed by Palestinian terrorists are not illegal according to international law, because the Palestinians are conducting a war of national liberation against Israel. Of course, when the Jews conduct a war of national liberation, this same person expects it to be done according to all of the Geneva Conventions, every UN and World Court decision and the Marquess of Queensberry rules.

Habesor

I don't have it backwards.

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Shusha

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The whole title of the thread is backwards.

What would happen if the whole world just stopped fighting Israel?

Dostojevsky

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Here is a quote from Amy Phillips Aremia that appeared in one of our newspapers:

"..... Golda Meir, who was Israel's Prime Minister in 1969 when she said: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. It is not as if we came and threw them out and took there country. They did not exist." Now, for more than 60 years they have been wiping out the Palestinians, whom she claimed did not exist. (Is not a denial of an ethnic group an act of racism and hate?)"

That quote has been repeated but I did not know where it came from. But as Amy said, this is a denial of an ethnic group and an act of racism and hate. It is evident Israel wants to wipe them off the map so how can Israel expect to be loved by its neighbors?

Shusha

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Apr 21, 2012 -- 1:18AM, Dostojevsky wrote:

Here is a quote from Amy Phillips Aremia that appeared in one of our newspapers:

"..... Golda Meir, who was Israel's Prime Minister in 1969 when she said: "There is no such thing as a Palestinian people. It is not as if we came and threw them out and took there country. They did not exist." Now, for more than 60 years they have been wiping out the Palestinians, whom she claimed did not exist. (Is not a denial of an ethnic group an act of racism and hate?)"

That quote has been repeated but I did not know where it came from. But as Amy said, this is a denial of an ethnic group and an act of racism and hate. It is evident Israel wants to wipe them off the map so how can Israel expect to be loved by its neighbors?

I don't know the context of the speech which produced this quote, but its disingenuous to not post the quote in its entirety:

"There were no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."

If we read the entire quote, we see she is not denying an ethnic group, nor speaking of hate or racism. She is stating a simple fact. There was never a Palestnian state. There was not, at the time she spoke, a defined Palestinian people seperate and distinct from other peoples which existed as a nation.

It would not be necessary to scissor and doctor the quote, unless one wanted to change the meaning. Now, why would anyone want to do that?

habesor

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Dos,

That is a misquote of what Golda actually said and in addition it is taken out of context of what she was talking about. As you wrote, it is repeated all over the place with some variation from repetition to repetition. If you think that repeating Arab propaganda is persuading anyone, well let me just inform you that it is only convincing the already convinced.

Habesor

Miraj

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There were no Israelis before 1948.

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Miraj

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Apr 21, 2012 -- 1:18AM, Shusha wrote:

The whole title of the thread is backwards.

What would happen if the whole world just stopped fighting Israel?

Doesn't Israel have any responsibility for its issues?

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Shusha

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Apr 21, 2012 -- 2:03AM, Miraj wrote:

Apr 21, 2012 -- 1:18AM, Shusha wrote:

The whole title of the thread is backwards.

What would happen if the whole world just stopped fighting Israel?

Doesn't Israel have any responsibility for its issues?

Depends entirely on what you think Israel's "issues" are, I suppose.

KindredSai

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Apr 21, 2012 -- 1:57AM, habesor wrote:

Dos,

That is a misquote of what Golda actually said and in addition it is taken out of context of what she was talking about. As you wrote, it is repeated all over the place with some variation from repetition to repetition. If you think that repeating Arab propaganda is persuading anyone, well let me just inform you that it is only convincing the already convinced.

Habesor

There is no such thing as taking overt quotes of prejudice out of context.

If one were to say there are no such people as Jews that would be anti-semitic.

Palestinians like Jews are an ethnic group.

Using the out of context excuse is a typical Israeli apologist line for plastering prejudice.

Shusha

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Apr 21, 2012 -- 2:00AM, Miraj wrote:

There were no Israelis before 1948.

Um. You're kidding, right?

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