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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 1:04AM #1
Miraj
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This article dates back to 2008, but, considering how often the subject here is fearmongering against goyim in Europe and the ME, it remains relevant.


What would happen if Israel stopped fighting the world?


Spreading fear is a widespread, familiar practice in regimes
that Israel does not want to resemble.


By Gideon Levy

So where did you spend Passover? Tens of thousands of Israelis were in Sinai. They ignored the Counter-Terrorism Bureau's warning, yet returned home safe and sound. Other Israelis - wait until you hear this - visited Cairo. I repeat: Cairo! They too returned tired but happy. They too did not heed the warnings. Haaretz's foreign news editor, for example, went to Egypt with his wife and four small children for the holiday. He identified himself as an Israeli everywhere he went, and believe it or not, was made to feel welcome.


Other Israelis traveled to other forbidden places all over the globe, including Turkey, and not a hair on their heads was harmed. They'd all had enough of the frightening campaigns.


Unintentionally, this world travel has become a kind of civil protest, a quiet uprising against the terror campaigns, a sort of rebellion that should be encouraged. In a brainwashed, blind, automatically obedient society, even this is something. It's not merely the Israelis' leisure culture, but the essence of their being. We are all surrounded by a phalanx of fear agents and dread brokers, suspicion marketers and anxiety propagandists. An army of generals and analysts, politicians and security specialists, all mobilized for one purpose - to infuse our life with terror.


It's time to free ourselves of their yoke. It's not that there aren't any dangers, or that we don't need warning or security apparatuses, but they must not be the only influences. The voice of thunder from Jerusalem, willfully blown up and exaggerated, is the only voice we hear, without a trace of an alternative - a voice of normality, sanity, optimism and hope. This applies as much to our next vacation as it does to Israel's next step in the peace process.



Continued at the headline link.



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 3:50AM #2
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Do we know how many Israelis spent passover in the Sinai this year? Or in Cairo?

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 9:22AM #3
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Miraj


You know full well what would happen if Israel stoped defending itself from the attacks of the world and if he were an honest sort so does Gideon Levy. 


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 9:46AM #4
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Char,


In answer to your question, not very many. And certainly Gideon Levy didn't spend the holiday in the Sinai or in Cairo.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 12:17PM #5
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Going back to the topic...


 


I feel if Israel adopts other mthods to reach peace (Less relient on fire power more on brain power), it will get answers to it's security concerns.


For it's long term survival, Israel needs to be a little more flexible.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 12:39PM #6
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Apr 20, 2012 -- 12:17PM, BDboy wrote:


Going back to the topic...


 


I feel if Israel adopts other mthods to reach peace (Less relient on fire power more on brain power), it will get answers to it's security concerns.


For it's long term survival, Israel needs to be a little more flexible.




In your dreams.  Israel can't do ANYTHING to reach peace.  It lies in the hands of the Palestinians/Arab nations.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 1:28PM #7
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Apr 20, 2012 -- 12:39PM, browbeaten wrote:


Apr 20, 2012 -- 12:17PM, BDboy wrote:


Going back to the topic...


 


I feel if Israel adopts other mthods to reach peace (Less relient on fire power more on brain power), it will get answers to it's security concerns.


For it's long term survival, Israel needs to be a little more flexible.




In your dreams.  Israel can't do ANYTHING to reach peace.  It lies in the hands of the Palestinians/Arab nations.





 


>>>>> Guess we have to agree to disagree here!!


If your theory is true than, Israel will be the ONLY occupying power who did not have "Any power" to end occupation!! 


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 2:59PM #8
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Apr 20, 2012 -- 9:22AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Miraj


You know full well what would happen if Israel stoped defending itself from the attacks of the world and if he were an honest sort so does Gideon Levy.





I must strongly take issue with the above statement. Miraj is for a single state including Isrraelis and Palestinians as citizens in one country. Now whereas that would of course mean the elimination of Israel as a 'Jewish state' (and I do NOT personally agree with this 'solution' at all) wishing for such does not, and I say again, does NOT automatically mean that anyone in favor of a single state is for "the death, deportation or subjugation of each and every Jewish inhabitant." Yes I DO think that Palestinians, many if not most, DO wish for just that. But many in favor of a single state do not think that would happen. Now I think they are living in a fantasy land, albeit with the best of intentions prhaps, but let's not let hyperbole over run logical argument here or accuse people of ulterior motives arbitrarily.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 4:52PM #9
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Apr 20, 2012 -- 2:59PM, rangerken wrote:


Apr 20, 2012 -- 9:22AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Miraj


You know full well what would happen if Israel stoped defending itself from the attacks of the world and if he were an honest sort so does Gideon Levy.





I must strongly take issue with the above statement. Miraj is for a single state including Isrraelis and Palestinians as citizens in one country. Now whereas that would of course mean the elimination of Israel as a 'Jewish state' (and I do NOT personally agree with this 'solution' at all) wishing for such does not, and I say again, does NOT automatically mean that anyone in favor of a single state is for "the death, deportation or subjugation of each and every Jewish inhabitant." Yes I DO think that Palestinians, many if not most, DO wish for just that. But many in favor of a single state do not think that would happen. Now I think they are living in a fantasy land, albeit with the best of intentions prhaps, but let's not let hyperbole over run logical argument here or accuse people of ulterior motives arbitrarily.


Ken




Ken


You can take issue with it but it does not change the facts. The people who have in the past and are currently pushing for a one state solution are pushing for a one state where, if Jews are allowed at all, they will be  barely tolerated dhimmis. Many of the proponants are quire forthright in their desire for a Judenrein state.


When one makes statements such as "then we will out number them" one indicates that  one shares the goals of those with whom one you are allied in pushing for the one state solution. It is not hyperbole to point this out.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2012 - 7:44PM #10
Miraj
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In the 1950's, I was for a majority White US with special rights for White men, in particular.

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