Apr 20, 2012 -- 11:35AM, Bodean wrote:

Apr 20, 2012 -- 10:48AM, costrel wrote:

Apr 19, 2012 -- 10:02PM, Bodean wrote:

DEMAND .. that is the key.  Until our Government focuses on DEMAND, there will be no revolution to alternative energy.  You can't focus on demand, when all your attention is in the corporate world.

And until the majority of Americans stop believing that Jesus is going to return during their own lifetimes and/or that any kind of concern for the environment and green energy is anti-Christian and anti-biblical "paganism," "pantheism," and "idolatry," there will be no demand. 

This issue has nothing to do with people believing in Jesus.  It has to do with Return on Investment.

Remember James Watt, Reagan's secretary of the interior? He was just one of many who thought it was okay to bleed the world dry, since Jesus was going to appear in the sky any day and gather up the faithful energy wasters into his arms, while all those pesky liberals who cared about the earth were left behind to burn in hell with Gandhi and the other evil sinners.

Apr 23, 2012 -- 10:06PM, MMarcoe wrote:

Apr 20, 2012 -- 11:35AM, Bodean wrote:

Apr 20, 2012 -- 10:48AM, costrel wrote:

Apr 19, 2012 -- 10:02PM, Bodean wrote:

DEMAND .. that is the key.  Until our Government focuses on DEMAND, there will be no revolution to alternative energy.  You can't focus on demand, when all your attention is in the corporate world.

And until the majority of Americans stop believing that Jesus is going to return during their own lifetimes and/or that any kind of concern for the environment and green energy is anti-Christian and anti-biblical "paganism," "pantheism," and "idolatry," there will be no demand. 

This issue has nothing to do with people believing in Jesus.  It has to do with Return on Investment.

Remember James Watt, Reagan's secretary of the interior? He was just one of many who thought it was okay to bleed the world dry, since Jesus was going to appear in the sky any day and gather up the faithful energy wasters into his arms, while all those pesky liberals who cared about the earth were left behind to burn in hell with Gandhi and the other evil sinners.

 

 

James Watt annoyed plenty of environmentalists as Ronald Reagan's outspoken secretary of the interior from 1981 to 1983. But their protests paled next to the howls from rock fans on April 6, 1983, when Watt indirectly banned the Beach Boys from that year's July 4 concert on the Washington Mall.

   Watt, without mentioning the Boys by name, unabashedly announced that all rock bands attracted ''the wrong element'' and opted for a ''wholesome'' program with Wayne Newton. ''We're not going to encourage drug abuse and alcoholism,'' Watt sniffed, ''as was done in the past.''

Apr 24, 2012 -- 6:34AM, costrel wrote:

(It also seems that you are not very familiar with some of the anti-environmental views of actual conservative Christians. I once knew a college-educated Baptist who said that scientists are stupid if they think that if all the polar ice melted that the sea levels would go up. He also believed that the Rapture would happen at any moment, and was looking forward to it. How often do you spend time with Christians who believe things such as this?) 

I think you're painting with a broad brush.  A very small percentage of people hold that view regarding the environment, no more than, say, the liberals who believe that the United States should declare petroleum illegal as if this would force the invention of practical alternative fuels.

Let's not pretend the fringe represents the whole of a group.  There are tens of millions of liberals, tens of millions of conservatives, and tens of millions more who are a mix, liberal on some issues and conservative on others. 

Apr 24, 2012 -- 6:34AM, costrel wrote:

Apr 23, 2012 -- 11:28PM, Bodean wrote:

And, I still say this "jesus" garbage is irrelevant.  I know my decision to not put solar on my house had nothing to do with Jesus comming back.

But .. whatever.

Well, according to your profile, you are not a Christian, so it's understandable that your decisions would have nothing to do with Jesus coming back.

(It also seems that you are not very familiar with some of the anti-environmental views of actual conservative Christians. I once knew a college-educated Baptist who said that scientists are stupid if they think that if all the polar ice melted that the sea levels would go up. He also believed that the Rapture would happen at any moment, and was looking forward to it. How often do you spend time with Christians who believe things such as this?) 

You are probably right!  I don't ascribe to "doctrine" religion.  I know Jesus, I know God, and have testimony of the greatness of that relationship, but I do not ascribe to regligious doctrine, ... especially the "legalistic" aspects of it all.  I don't mix well with the Calvanists branch of Christiantiy, which includes the Baptists.  I attend the Methodists Church, ... because it allows me to be who I am, focusing more on spirit, and less on "ya gotta do this and ya gotta do that" .. or even worse .. "dont' do this and don't do that".  I most certainly don't ascribe to the "I'm living to go somewhere after I die" .. perspective.  For me, "heaven" is a state, a relationship .. in the NOW .. not later. Thus, the "rapture" is of no intersts to me.  I mean .. why be a hypocrit today, with the hopes that you will be purified tomorrow, when you can strive to live the life of Christs TODAY, and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Thus .. I don't have much concept of the environmental perspectives of people who are watching the skies for something that should be welling up inside of them.

Apr 24, 2012 -- 10:12PM, Bodean wrote:

You are probably right!  I don't ascribe to "doctrine" religion.  I know Jesus, I know God, and have testimony of the greatness of that relationship, but I do not ascribe to regligious doctrine, ... especially the "legalistic" aspects of it all.  I don't mix well with the Calvanists branch of Christiantiy, which includes the Baptists.  I attend the Methodists Church, ... because it allows me to be who I am, focusing more on spirit, and less on "ya gotta do this and ya gotta do that" .. or even worse .. "dont' do this and don't do that".  I most certainly don't ascribe to the "I'm living to go somewhere after I die" .. perspective.  For me, "heaven" is a state, a relationship .. in the NOW .. not later. Thus, the "rapture" is of no intersts to me.  I mean .. why be a hypocrit today, with the hopes that you will be purified tomorrow, when you can strive to live the life of Christs TODAY, and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Thus .. I don't have much concept of the environmental perspectives of people who are watching the skies for something that should be welling up inside of them.

You attend a Methodist church? But your profile states that you are Reconstructionist/ Heathen, which led me to assume (apparently erroneously?) that you are Asatruar.