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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 12:44PM #1
TENAC
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We dont have to worry about obama until he and/or his administration begins to do this.

Ooooooops....



DOL forcing media to use government computers



Not only that, looks like all news/media will have to resubmit for their WH credentials.



Ha.  Wonder whats up with that?


Probably nothing.

Any man can count the seeds in an apple....
.......but only God can count the apples in the seeds.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 12:54PM #2
Find1Answer
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Industry demands this.   Campaign funding and lobbyists demand this.     I don't know why we don't just cut to the chase and elect Monsanto as president.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 1:34PM #3
Bodean
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TENAC ... Obama and the Democrats already control the information.  Just look at the many examples where they create the narrative ....


... The "War on Women"


... Global Warming


... Paul Ryan wants to take away your healthcare


... "Tax Cuts for the Rich".


... Zimmerman and the "Racism" issue.


... "inherited recession"


... Bush squanderd the "surplus"


The list goes on an on.


Just about any story is cast in some light that highlights the goodness of Democrats and Leftists thought, while at the same time, always demonizes Conservatives.


If not for the emergence of a few who stand up for conservative positions, the Democrats would have a complete lock on the flow of information.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 2:22PM #4
Find1Answer
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Apr 14, 2012 -- 1:34PM, Bodean wrote:

TENAC ... Obama and the Democrats already control the information.  Just look at the many examples where they create the narrative ....


... The "War on Women"


... Global Warming


... Paul Ryan wants to take away your healthcare


... "Tax Cuts for the Rich".


... Zimmerman and the "Racism" issue.


... "inherited recession"


... Bush squanderd the "surplus"


The list goes on an on.


Just about any story is cast in some light that highlights the goodness of Democrats and Leftists thought, while at the same time, always demonizes Conservatives.


If not for the emergence of a few who stand up for conservative positions, the Democrats would have a complete lock on the flow of information.


and what are your answers defending such.      or justifications.    this blanket stuff is a waste of bandwidth.        Bush did squander the bottom line he inherited and he did increase the deficit through unfunded wars and unfunded medicare D and loss of revenue with tax cuts.     He was not fiscally responsible and neither were congress,  both stripes as you know I personally feel.      The scuttlebutt I keep reading about is that Ryan's budget doesn't save anything when you sharpen your pen and he has nothing to back up any claims of increased revenues.    eliminate loopholes?   which one Ryan.    It is not like he doesn't know.     It is reported that since 1998 Ryan has basically put forward this same plan.        I seriously doubt that a $6000 voucher is going to purchase health insurance for a high liability aged person especially if the provisions from Obamacare are struck down.       But hey,  can you show me your specifics?       You all act as if Obama is some kind of svengali that singlehandedly turned everything upside down.       I wish we all could get on the same page to address the issues as they really are.     We are trending towards a corporate run country through legislation, corruption and cronyism and you all think it's Obama's fault.   Don't get me wrong he is marching to the same tune.     I am sure glad it's spring and if it were not snowing right now I would be spending my time outside on my farm rather than this merry go round.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 2:35PM #5
Find1Answer
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The main concerns I had all this control of the people through patriots acts and what have you was sure I did not like it but I also knew that any future president would not turn it back but would expand on it.     Tell me that McCain would not have done the same thing or even Ryan your hero.   This stuff has become progressive in nature.     

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 3:04PM #6
Bodean
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Apr 14, 2012 -- 2:22PM, Find1Answer wrote:

Apr 14, 2012 -- 1:34PM, Bodean wrote:


TENAC ... Obama and the Democrats already control the information.  Just look at the many examples where they create the narrative ....


... The "War on Women"


... Global Warming


... Paul Ryan wants to take away your healthcare


... "Tax Cuts for the Rich".


... Zimmerman and the "Racism" issue.


... "inherited recession"


... Bush squanderd the "surplus"


The list goes on an on.


Just about any story is cast in some light that highlights the goodness of Democrats and Leftists thought, while at the same time, always demonizes Conservatives.


If not for the emergence of a few who stand up for conservative positions, the Democrats would have a complete lock on the flow of information.




and what are your answers defending such.      or justifications.    this blanket stuff is a waste of bandwidth.        Bush did squander the bottom line he inherited


No .. he did not ... the dot.bomb recession squandered the revenue side of the equation, while spending continued to increase. .. .just like what has happened to Obama ... the housing bubble bomb squandered revenue side of the equation, and spending continued to increase.


Find .. if you're going to blame Bush for what happened after he took office, then you'll have to blame Obama for what has happened since he took office.  You can't have it both ways.


 and he did increase the deficit through unfunded wars and unfunded medicare D and loss of revenue with tax cuts.


On this I agree .. and I"ve said so.  I hated the Medicare Part D passage, and, I've never been an advocate for the war ... though, I am on record, right here on B-net, that I agreed with Powell,  ... we broke it, it was our responsibility to fix it.


As for the tax cuts .. we'll just disagree on that one.  Revenue is not correlated well to tax rates, but rather economic activity. [examples .. the tech bubble and housing bubble].


He was not fiscally responsible and neither were congress,  both stripes as you know I personally feel.      The scuttlebutt I keep reading about is that Ryan's budget doesn't save anything when you sharpen your pen and he has nothing to back up any claims of increased revenues.


NO .. congress, nor Bush, nor Obama, nor anyone else in Government is fiscally responsible ... because they are using someone else's money. [ ours ].  Ryan's budget is not about increasing revenue .. it's about cutting spending.  That is the only approach that will save the US.


    eliminate loopholes?   which one Ryan.    It is not like he doesn't know.     It is reported that since 1998 Ryan has basically put forward this same plan.


Well ... for 12 years now, then, we've ignored his plan, and our deficit keeps getting bigger. All the Democrats can seem to focus on is taxing the crap out of the rich.  Wasn't working too well when Carter was in office, and I see no reason to believe it will today.


I seriously doubt that a $6000 voucher is going to purchase health insurance for a high liability aged person especially if the provisions from Obamacare are struck down.       But hey,  can you show me your specifics?


Well .. you can bet that Obamacare is not the answer.  The GOP allegedly already has a Healthcare bill ready for passage that recovers many of the positive aspects of Obamacare, but eliminates all the Nancy Pelosi driven drivel in it.


You all act as if Obama is some kind of svengali that singlehandedly turned everything upside down.       I wish we all could get on the same page to address the issues as they really are.


No .. I don't think Obama has turned anything upside down.  I am of the opinion that what we are reaping today is the product of over 80 yeas of Liberal Policy and thinking, starting with S.S. [soon to be broke], Medcare [soon to be broke], Fannie Mae [the vehicle for the housing bubble], Carter's and Clinton's rediculous housing initiatives [the Root Cause of the Housing Bubble], and the list goes on an on.


We are trending towards a corporate run country through legislation, corruption and cronyism and you all think it's Obama's fault.   Don't get me wrong he is marching to the same tune.     I am sure glad it's spring and if it were not snowing right now I would be spending my time outside on my farm rather than this merry go round.





The problem is that our Government has become an instrument of that corporate courruption and cronyism.  It's been this way since the Civil War when the Shippin Yards of the NE and the industrialized North began using the Fed as a way to transfer the export wealth of the South to the North for development.


Where we all part ways is that Left of Center people think the Government is the Answer ... right of center people think the Government is the Problem.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 4:12PM #7
Find1Answer
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and what are your answers defending such.      or justifications.    this blanket stuff is a waste of bandwidth.        Bush did squander the bottom line he inherited


No .. he did not ... the dot.bomb recession squandered the revenue side of the equation, while spending continued to increase. .. .just like what has happened to Obama ... the housing bubble bomb squandered revenue side of the equation, and spending continued to increase.


Okay,  I guess you are saying any uptick is because of bubbles.   I will accept that.   but that also means upticks are false economies.




Find .. if you're going to blame Bush for what happened after he took office, then you'll have to blame Obama for what has happened since he took office.  You can't have it both ways.


Never said I did not blame Obama,  I am horrifed at what Obama has done in many aspects.  Progressive democrats are not that pleased with him either.  we just don't use stupid terms like he is a socialist or a foreign born muslim or he takes too many vacations like his rightist detractors do.   besides I was not necessarily blaming Bush  just bringing him up because in many ways Obama is just continuing his policies.     




 and he did increase the deficit through unfunded wars and unfunded medicare D and loss of revenue with tax cuts.




On this I agree .. and I"ve said so.  I hated the Medicare Part D passage, and, I've never been an advocate for the war ... though, I am on record, right here on B-net, that I agreed with Powell,  ... we broke it, it was our responsibility to fix it.


oh is that we are doing?  fixing it?  Sure seems to cost a lot of money we don't have and are putting on the credit card.




He was not fiscally responsible and neither were congress,  both stripes as you know I personally feel.      The scuttlebutt I keep reading about is that Ryan's budget doesn't save anything when you sharpen your pen and he has nothing to back up any claims of increased revenues.




NO .. congress, nor Bush, nor Obama, nor anyone else in Government is fiscally responsible ... because they are using someone else's money. [ ours ].  Ryan's budget is not about increasing revenue .. it's about cutting spending.  That is the only approach that will save the US.


Ryan is not cutting defense or homeland security or building more drones or other fancy high cost items.   Ryans is not cutting spending for unnecessary items like lifelong health and retirement benefits for congress after a short 6 year stint.  Why doesn't congress act like the rest of us.    Ryan only favors cutting our future in education and healthcare.    What do we have but our children.




    eliminate loopholes?   which one Ryan.    It is not like he doesn't know.     It is reported that since 1998 Ryan has basically put forward this same plan.




Well ... for 12 years now, then, we've ignored his plan, and our deficit keeps getting bigger. All the Democrats can seem to focus on is taxing the crap out of the rich.  Wasn't working too well when Carter was in office, and I see no reason to believe it will today.


I do not see maybe you have some figures on how the tax cuts have supplied jobs.   I think the rich can stand more tax.    Small business owners are not the rich.   Middle class income earners are not the rich.   The reason for keeping Bush's tax cuts  was that these middle income earners and small business tax are tied to the rich.     That issue is totally muddled.




I seriously doubt that a $6000 voucher is going to purchase health insurance for a high liability aged person especially if the provisions from Obamacare are struck down.       But hey,  can you show me your specifics?




Well .. you can bet that Obamacare is not the answer.  The GOP allegedly already has a Healthcare bill ready for passage that recovers many of the positive aspects of Obamacare, but eliminates all the Nancy Pelosi driven drivel in it.


I do not think the republicans have unveiled this plan.  maybe post a link if I have missed it.     I am not in favor of Obamacare,  it's a joke.   There are some provisions that are noteworthy,  like eliminating the pre existing condition.   But do you really think the healthcare insurance industry will swallow that one without their hard fought for mandate?




You all act as if Obama is some kind of svengali that singlehandedly turned everything upside down.       I wish we all could get on the same page to address the issues as they really are.




No .. I don't think Obama has turned anything upside down.  I am of the opinion that what we are reaping today is the product of over 80 yeas of Liberal Policy and thinking, starting with S.S. [soon to be broke], Medcare [soon to be broke], Fannie Mae [the vehicle for the housing bubble], Carter's and Clinton's rediculous housing initiatives [the Root Cause of the Housing Bubble], and the list goes on an on.


You need to do a bit more research if you are blaming the housing bubble solely on Carter and Clinton.    ever heard of Alan Greenspan and his bubble making policies?  CRA had stringent rules that did not allow Fannie or Freddie to jump in for several years until their lobbyists helped lower the standards.   Bush himself pushed homeownership and Bush was in charge then.    One of the things that really blew me away was finding out the Gingrich was behind the scenes at Freddie for 1.6 million dollars.


We are trending towards a corporate run country through legislation, corruption and cronyism and you all think it's Obama's fault.   Don't get me wrong he is marching to the same tune.     I am sure glad it's spring and if it were not snowing right now I would be spending my time outside on my farm rather than this merry go round.  




The problem is that our Government has become an instrument of that corporate courruption and cronyism.  It's been this way since the Civil War when the Shippin Yards of the NE and the industrialized North began using the Fed as a way to transfer the export wealth of the South to the North for development.


well maybe the whole rotten scheme has finally run it's course.



Where we all part ways is that Left of Center people think the Government is the Answer ... right of center people think the Government is the Problem.


Maybe that is the case but I think we can all see that in this advanced stage of decay neither way of thinking is going to fix anything because both sides refuse to take any blame or give any effective ways of changing it.  the right cuts spending except when they don't and the left keeps spending what they don't have and defense spending is supported by them both because defense spending lobbys the most.   it is short term gain as opposed to long term gain.   I still believe the old saw of Dems tax and spend and Repub borrow and spend.    


hey it quit snowing and the sun is out,  I may go outside.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 4:56PM #8
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Despite the best efforts of our corporate media, especially the television networks and cable networks, all of which except Fox News are owned by giant multinational corporations, more Americans every day are getting wise to the mean cop/con cop routine that is our national two-party system.


More voters every year register as "independent," and some of us really are.


To hell with the donklephant, or elephonkey, or whatever you want to call it. It is truly an unclean  monster from out of the depths, like something out of the Book of Revelation.



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3 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 6:37PM #9
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Apr 14, 2012 -- 4:56PM, catboxer wrote:


Despite the best efforts of our corporate media, especially the television networks and cable networks, all of which except Fox News are owned by giant multinational corporations, more Americans every day are getting wise to the mean cop/con cop routine that is our national two-party system.


More voters every year register as "independent," and some of us really are.


To hell with the donklephant, or elephonkey, or whatever you want to call it. It is truly an unclean  monster from out of the depths, like something out of the Book of Revelation.





News Corporation is one of the world’s largest media conglomerates. Created and still controlled by Rupert Murdoch, the company owns Fox News, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post and 20th Century Fox film studio, among other assets. The company also owns influential British newspapers like The Times of London and The Sun

“I seldom make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 12:42AM #10
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Apr 14, 2012 -- 12:54PM, Find1Answer wrote:


Industry demands this.   Campaign funding and lobbyists demand this.     I don't know why we don't just cut to the chase and elect Monsanto as president.





"Appoint" would be the more appropriate term than "elect"

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