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1 year ago  ::  Apr 15, 2012 - 11:54PM #51
teilhard
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I agree that splicing-in Genes from entirely different Critters MAY eventually create some novel Problems ... MANY Genes DON'T code simply for a single Characteristic, but operate within a COMPLEX of Genes that codes for MULTIPLE Factors ...


Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:17PM, Erey wrote:


I don't fully understand GMO foods.


My understanding has been that humans have altered the genes of just about everything we might potentialy care about.  Grass, corn was mentioned, any kind of food stuff we have altered it.


However Genetic Modification is not so much the trying to foster or breed traits within whatever species of food or animal you are interested in but splicing genes.  So for instance that corn is not just altered to be larger and sit longer on the shelf before eating.  It has been somehow spliced iwth a bit of jellyfish DNA.  I don't know how or why.  One organisim being spliced with the DNA from a completely different kind of organism. 


I am not saying this makes the food necessarily dangerous but it does make you ponder. 



I also agree with Bodean that there is nothing to fear of cloning.  Lots of people are clones.  Near me there is a ranch that has what we call oreo cookie cattle.  black cattle with a white middle and they are all clones and look exactly the same. 





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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 8:58AM #52
christzen
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 8:13PM, teilhard wrote:


Again ... YOU raised to Topic below -- "our Food Supply being copyrighted Property of a few large Corporations" and asked for Thoughts on this ...


I gave you mine ...  Get Over It ...



 






 


So,your thoughts on the prospects of corporations gaining control of the nation's food supply by copyrighting our food supply is that you're happy the SC outlawed patenting human genes?Um...well,OK then.


 


LOL.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 9:04AM #53
christzen
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 11:17PM, Erey wrote:


 



I also agree with Bodean that there is nothing to fear of cloning.  Lots of people are clones.  Near me there is a ranch that has what we call oreo cookie cattle.  black cattle with a white middle and they are all clones and look exactly the same. 




Actually nobody is a clone,unless there is something gojng on in secret by mad scientists that we know nothing about.A clone is an exact copy of a previous life form created by science,ie another Erey created in the lab from your genes and impregnated into a woman to carry and deliver an exact DNA replica of you. 


 


With animal cloning,it is far from an exact and well known science.Many cloned animals are larger than the ones theywere cloned from,have larger organs,have deformed organs etc.In addition,their chromosones show changes.Chromosones have an aging pattern.Some cloned animals show a pattern that is younger than their actual age,others show an aging pattern much older than their actual age.Clearly something doesn't always work right with the process.Does this mean the food animals cloned are dangerous?Probably not,but if some change happened that was to introduce a disease into the human body,you can bet we won't be able to tell until enough people have gotten sick to give scientists a trail back to cloned meat.

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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 11:12AM #54
teilhard
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Patent Law re: Living Things remains a Work-in-Progress ...


For several reasons, I don't think ANY Living Thing should be "Patented" ...


These Cases will be coming up for Review as Time goes on ...


The Recent SCOTUS Decision (note: 9 to 0 !!!) gives me Hope ...


Apr 16, 2012 -- 8:58AM, christzen wrote:


Apr 15, 2012 -- 8:13PM, teilhard wrote:


Again ... YOU raised to Topic below -- "our Food Supply being copyrighted Property of a few large Corporations" and asked for Thoughts on this ...


I gave you mine ...  Get Over It ...



 






 


So,your thoughts on the prospects of corporations gaining control of the nation's food supply by copyrighting our food supply is that you're happy the SC outlawed patenting human genes?Um...well,OK then.


 


LOL.





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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:11PM #55
Find1Answer
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Apr 15, 2012 -- 5:50PM, christzen wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 4:47PM, teilhard wrote:

I agree that issuing a Patent on a Living Thing is a BAD Idea -- for LOTS of Reasons ...


Fortunately, The SCOTUS recently outlawed -- 9 to 0 !!! -- Patents on Human Genes ...


Apr 15, 2012 -- 4:43PM, christzen wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 3:16PM, REteach wrote:


Corn is genetically modified. Corn could not exist today without human.


Some of you remind me of the possibly apocryphal story of the woman who snuffed out her cigarette and then wanted food not sprayed with alar  





Of greater issue is the possibility of most,if not eventually all,of our food supply being copyrighted property of a few large corporations.What are your thoughts on this?









Funny,I thought this discussion was about cloned food animals.What does cloning humans have to do with corporations cloning and copyrighting food animals?


and the supreme court just ruled 5-4 that GMO seed stock was not a danger to organic crops,  despite the non industry studies that showed otherwise,   complete with cross pollination rates of 1 year,2 year all the way up to 11 year,  which is how long the study lasted.    At year 10 cross pollination was over 75%.   Monsanto owns the court.    Alito and Thomas both had ties to Monsanto.  Alitio recused himself but of course Thomas did not.    

and for further clarification I am not protecting Obama and blaming Bush.  The entire political process is nothing more than a boondoggle and pay for play.   Not only has it been going on for a long time but has achieved epic levels and will get worse with each succeeding presidency.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:18PM #56
teilhard
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Yes ... I disagree with THAT Decision ...


As noted, this Legal Realm remains a Work in Progress ...


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:11PM, Find1Answer wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 5:50PM, christzen wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 4:47PM, teilhard wrote:


I agree that issuing a Patent on a Living Thing is a BAD Idea -- for LOTS of Reasons ...


Fortunately, The SCOTUS recently outlawed -- 9 to 0 !!! -- Patents on Human Genes ...


Apr 15, 2012 -- 4:43PM, christzen wrote:

Apr 15, 2012 -- 3:16PM, REteach wrote:


Corn is genetically modified. Corn could not exist today without human.


Some of you remind me of the possibly apocryphal story of the woman who snuffed out her cigarette and then wanted food not sprayed with alar  





Of greater issue is the possibility of most,if not eventually all,of our food supply being copyrighted property of a few large corporations.What are your thoughts on this?








Funny,I thought this discussion was about cloned food animals.What does cloning humans have to do with corporations cloning and copyrighting food animals?



and the supreme court just ruled 5-4 that GMO seed stock was not a danger to organic crops,  despite the non industry studies that showed otherwise,   complete with cross pollination rates of 1 year,2 year all the way up to 11 year,  which is how long the study lasted.    At year 10 cross pollination was over 75%.   Monsanto owns the court.    Alito and Thomas both had ties to Monsanto.  Alitio recused himself but of course Thomas did not.    





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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 12:26PM #57
Find1Answer
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Monsanto owns the court and the USDA.   Once your crop is over 10% gmo even if you are attempting to grow conventional or organic Monsanto has the right to sue you for royalties and they are suing the farmer.    I cannot believe the American consumer whether right or left is comfortable with cloned animals or gmo seed stock.    I cannot believe that the American consumer is comfortable with the decimation of bees which pollinate our crops with systemic pesticides in our plants.      The supreme court and our congress is okay with that,   of course the wheels are greased with Monsanto funny money.

and for further clarification I am not protecting Obama and blaming Bush.  The entire political process is nothing more than a boondoggle and pay for play.   Not only has it been going on for a long time but has achieved epic levels and will get worse with each succeeding presidency.
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1 year ago  ::  Apr 16, 2012 - 2:27PM #58
teilhard
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I agree that Industrial-Scale Agriculture creates LOTS of unintended Problems ... But thus far, "cloned" Animals is NOT one such ...


Apr 16, 2012 -- 12:26PM, Find1Answer wrote:


Monsanto owns the court and the USDA.   Once your crop is over 10% gmo even if you are attempting to grow conventional or organic Monsanto has the right to sue you for royalties and they are suing the farmer.    I cannot believe the American consumer whether right or left is comfortable with cloned animals or gmo seed stock.    I cannot believe that the American consumer is comfortable with the decimation of bees which pollinate our crops with systemic pesticides in our plants.      The supreme court and our congress is okay with that,   of course the wheels are greased with Monsanto funny money.





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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 5:30PM #59
Erey
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You have to think about how prevelant hunger used to be in the world.  It was almost the human condition to struggle to get enough food to eat. 


Alot of these advances in agriculture are what make it possible for people all over the world to be well fed.  They are starting to have obesity problems in the BRICS countries and it is just all trickling down. 


Whereas this is a mixed blessing it is hard to argue against the end of hunger. 



I do think we have some unintended consequesnces from all this.  Looking at all the wheat allergies.  I was reading this article that people are eating alot more wheat (26 more pounds per year) but also the wheat of today is very different than the wheat of history.  Significantly different and it was never tested.


www.spiritualityhealth.com/articles/whea...


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1 year ago  ::  Apr 17, 2012 - 5:58PM #60
arielg
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Apr 17, 2012 -- 5:30PM, Erey wrote:


You have to think about how prevelant hunger used to be in the world.  It was almost the human condition to struggle to get enough food to eat. 


Used to be?


The world hunger problem: Facts, figures and statistics.


In the Asian, African and Latin American countries, well over 500 million people are living in what the World Bank has called "absolute poverty"

Every year 15 million children die of hunger


For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years


Throughout the 1990's more than 100 million children will die from illness and starvation. Those 100 million deaths could be prevented for the price of ten Stealth bombers, or what the world spends on its military in two days!


The World Health Organization estimates that one-third of the world is well-fed, one-third is under-fed one-third is starving- Since you've entered this site at least 200 people have died of starvation. Over 4 million will die this year.


One in twelve people worldwide is malnourished, including 160 million children under the age of 5. United Nations Food and Agriculture


The Indian subcontinent has nearly half the world's hungry people. Africa and the rest of Asia together have approximately 40%, and the remaining hungry people are found in Latin America and other parts of the world. Hunger in Global Economy


Nearly one in four people, 1.3 billion - a majority of humanity - live on less than $1 per day, while the world's 358 billionaires have assets exceeding the combined annual incomes of countries with 45 percent of the world's people. UNICEF


3 billion people in the world today struggle to survive on US$2/day.


In 1994 the Urban Institute in Washington DC estimated that one out of 6 elderly people in the U.S. has an inadequate diet.


In the U.S. hunger and race are related. In 1991 46% of African-American children were chronically hungry, and 40% of Latino children were chronically hungry compared to 16% of white children.


The infant mortality rate is closely linked to inadequate nutrition among pregnant women. The U.S. ranks 23rd among industrial nations in infant mortality. African-American infants die at nearly twice the rate of white infants.


One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.


Half of all children under five years of age in South Asia and one third of those in sub-Saharan Africa are malnourished.


In 1997 alone, the lives of at least 300,000 young children were saved by vitamin A supplementation programmes in developing countries.


Malnutrition is implicated in more than half of all child deaths worldwide - a proportion unmatched by any infectious disease since the Black Death


About 183 million children weigh less than they should for their age


To satisfy the world's sanitation and food requirements would cost only US$13 billion- what the people of the United States and the European Union spend on perfume each year.


The assets of the world's three richest men are more than the combined GNP of all the least developed countries on the planet.


Every 3.6 seconds someone dies of hunger


It is estimated that some 800 million people in the world suffer from hunger and malnutrition, about 100 times as many as those who actually die from it each year.


library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/pres...


Alot of these advances in agriculture are what make it possible for people all over the world to be well fed.  They are starting to have obesity problems in the BRICS countries and it is just all trickling down. 


Whereas this is a mixed blessing it is hard to argue against the end of hunger. 


I do think we have some unintended consequesnces from all this.  Looking at all the wheat allergies.  I was reading this article that people are eating alot more wheat (26 more pounds per year) but also the wheat of today is very different than the wheat of history.  Significantly different and it was never tested.


www.spiritualityhealth.com/articles/whea...






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