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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:39AM #1
rocketjsquirell
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Abbas admits sending terrorists to kill Israelis

Abbas: "I demand [the release of] prisoners because they are human beings, who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating. This is war. One (Israel) ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others, to carry out the duty of resistance (euphemism for terror). This person killed and the other person killed. So why say this person's hands are stained with blood, and [he] must be kept in prison?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf2SVRfpYk

I think this should end any arguments that the PA is not a terrorist organization and I think it puts the lie to the idea that the PA is only invloved in "peaceful resistence"  Don't you?
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:51AM #2
LeahOne
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I also think there's no 'justification' in whining about 'targeted assassinations' by Israel against the directors of terrorism against Israel.   It seems clear that the Israelis chose 'targets' only *after* any of them had painted a bulls-eye on the collective Israeli population - including Arab/Muslim residents and guests from wherever.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 3:47PM #3
Roodog
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What??!!


Abbas was caught in a TRUTH???SurprisedSurprisedSurprised

For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary.
For those who have no faith, no explanation is possible.

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If one turns his ear from hearing the Law, even his prayer is an abomination. Proverbs 28:9
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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 4:45PM #4
Shusha
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Interesting.  He is on the one hand acknowledging that those men, women and children are soldiers in a war and just obeying orders (ie combatants) while on the other hand professing that they are innocent.  Not sure how that comes together for him.


But it clearly states his position.  "This is war".  Obviously, negotiation has no place in war until one side sees its loss as the inevitable outcome and decides to surrender and take the scraps. 


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:00PM #5
SherriMunnerlyn
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Abbas admits sending terrorists to kill Israelis

Abbas: "I demand [the release of] prisoners because they are human beings, who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating. This is war. One (Israel) ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others, to carry out the duty of resistance (euphemism for terror). This person killed and the other person killed. So why say this person's hands are stained with blood, and [he] must be kept in prison?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf2SVRfpYk

I think this should end any arguments that the PA is not a terrorist organization and I think it puts the lie to the idea that the PA is only invloved in "peaceful resistence"  Don't you?



rocket,


Words of truth are being said here, I am not surprised at your continuing denial and opposition to truth. But it really does not matter what we think about truth, you or I or anyone else, it will always be brought into the light, the light of day.


Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting.


I applaud and admire Abbas for his courage to speak truth here.


Sherri

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:44PM #6
rangerken
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:00PM, SherriMunnerlyn wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Abbas admits sending terrorists to kill Israelis

Abbas: "I demand [the release of] prisoners because they are human beings, who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating. This is war. One (Israel) ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others, to carry out the duty of resistance (euphemism for terror). This person killed and the other person killed. So why say this person's hands are stained with blood, and [he] must be kept in prison?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf2SVRfpYk

I think this should end any arguments that the PA is not a terrorist organization and I think it puts the lie to the idea that the PA is only invloved in "peaceful resistence"  Don't you?



rocket,


Words of truth are being said here, I am not surprised at your continuing denial and opposition to truth. But it really does not matter what we think about truth, you or I or anyone else, it will always be brought into the light, the light of day.


Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting.


I applaud and admire Abbas for his courage to speak truth here.


Sherri




Sorry Sherri, but the PA condemns itself. And that means that Israel does not have anyone to seriously negotiate with. And that is entirely the fault of the Palestinian leadership.


Ken



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:12PM #7
SherriMunnerlyn
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:44PM, rangerken wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:00PM, SherriMunnerlyn wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Abbas admits sending terrorists to kill Israelis

Abbas: "I demand [the release of] prisoners because they are human beings, who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating. This is war. One (Israel) ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others, to carry out the duty of resistance (euphemism for terror). This person killed and the other person killed. So why say this person's hands are stained with blood, and [he] must be kept in prison?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf2SVRfpYk

I think this should end any arguments that the PA is not a terrorist organization and I think it puts the lie to the idea that the PA is only invloved in "peaceful resistence"  Don't you?



rocket,


Words of truth are being said here, I am not surprised at your continuing denial and opposition to truth. But it really does not matter what we think about truth, you or I or anyone else, it will always be brought into the light, the light of day.


Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting.


I applaud and admire Abbas for his courage to speak truth here.


Sherri




Sorry Sherri, but the PA condemns itself. And that means that Israel does not have anyone to seriously negotiate with. And that is entirely the fault of the Palestinian leadership.


Ken





Ken,


Obviously, I have my truth and you have yours.


What you see here I do not see at all.


Sherri

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 11:20PM #8
rangerken
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Apr 13, 2012 -- 11:12PM, SherriMunnerlyn wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:44PM, rangerken wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:00PM, SherriMunnerlyn wrote:


Apr 13, 2012 -- 10:39AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

Abbas admits sending terrorists to kill Israelis

Abbas: "I demand [the release of] prisoners because they are human beings, who did what we, we, ordered them to do. We, the Authority. They should not be punished while we sit at one table negotiating. This is war. One (Israel) ordered a soldier to kill, and I ordered my son, brother, or others, to carry out the duty of resistance (euphemism for terror). This person killed and the other person killed. So why say this person's hands are stained with blood, and [he] must be kept in prison?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNf2SVRfpYk

I think this should end any arguments that the PA is not a terrorist organization and I think it puts the lie to the idea that the PA is only invloved in "peaceful resistence"  Don't you?



rocket,


Words of truth are being said here, I am not surprised at your continuing denial and opposition to truth. But it really does not matter what we think about truth, you or I or anyone else, it will always be brought into the light, the light of day.


Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting.


I applaud and admire Abbas for his courage to speak truth here.


Sherri




Sorry Sherri, but the PA condemns itself. And that means that Israel does not have anyone to seriously negotiate with. And that is entirely the fault of the Palestinian leadership.


Ken





Ken,


Obviously, I have my truth and you have yours.


What you see here I do not see at all.


Sherri




That's a true statment, Sherri. We two are far apart in our perspectives. While I don't agree with you saying that we each have different 'truths' I will agree that we look at the same data and come to very different conclusions.


Ken



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 1:53AM #9
habesor
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Sherri,


You mentioned international law when you wrote:


"Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting." 



Sherri, can someone engaged in resistance to occupation commit murder or, are all actions of those resisting occupation, legal according to international law. (Hint: Before answering that question, you might want to refresh your memory by re-reading the Fourth Geneva Convention.)


Of course, you don't have to answer that question.


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 14, 2012 - 8:38AM #10
SherriMunnerlyn
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Apr 14, 2012 -- 1:53AM, habesor wrote:


Sherri,


You mentioned international law when you wrote:


"Reality is this, resistance to Occupation is lawful under intl law. And that resistance can be armed resistance or nonviolent resistance.


None of the Palestinian prisoners, all unlawfully detained in captivity outside of the OPT, have done anything combatants on the other side have not also done, and that it is what Abbas addressed in his words of truth that some people seem to have so much difficulty accepting." 



Sherri, can someone engaged in resistance to occupation commit murder or, are all actions of those resisting occupation, legal according to international law. (Hint: Before answering that question, you might want to refresh your memory by re-reading the Fourth Geneva Convention.)


Of course, you don't have to answer that question.


Habesor





Habesor,


What is murder? Unlawful killings are murder, I think most would agree about that. Intl law says when persons are killed who are not participating in the conflict they are wrongly and unlawfully killed, they are murdered. Civilians are not proper targets. Btslem details all who are killed in this conflict and identifies those wrongly killed, and the majority of those victims of murders are Palestinians, not Israelis.  See Btselem website.


Another thing, I did not state that unlawful killings under intl law are legitimate acts. They are equally objectionable and wrong, whichever side engages in such unlawful killings. Israel simply is the one doing, by far, the biggest part of the killing activity, as we all can read for ourselves, by simply reviewing Btselm's casualty tables.


Sherri

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