Post Reply
Page 1 of 4  •  1 2 3 4 Next
Switch to Forum Live View Land of discrimination not opportunity?
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 6:18AM #1
Kwinters
Posts: 22,591

How can women consider America a land of equal opportunity if we cannot be assured that we have recourse if we are not treated equally?


'Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker did nothing to refute the idea that Republicans are waging a "war on women" late last week when he quietly signed three controversial bills that limit access to abortion services and sex education and repealed the state's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, on the eve of the holiday weekend.

'...In what was perhaps his most surprising move, Walker signed a bill repealing the state's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court.


The law allowed individuals to plead their discrimination cases in the less costly state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court, a provision the newest legislation rolled back. Jeff Hynes, the president of the Wisconsin Employment Lawyers Association, told the Journal Sentinel the changes sends a signal to employers that mistreat their workers that they "can get away with it every time."


"The governor and the Republican leadership in Wisconsin have effectuated a one-two punch with respect to employees' rights to get any meaningful remedy" in discrimination cases, Hynes told the newspaper.


The law approved by Walker removes the ability for victims of wage discrimination to go to court for compensatory and punitive damages, although they still have the ability to seek back pay. Hynes noted that Walker previously signed legislation that puts a limit on the amount of attorney's fees victims can recover in lawsuits, making it even less likely that wronged employees will take their cases to court.


Under the new law, there will be no remedy for justice under state employment law for women who are sexually harassed in the workplace, or for minorities who are subjected to racial epithets and other signs of discrimination...


'...The ratio of women's to men's earnings in the state reached its highest point in 2010 -- 82.8 percent -- after the passage of the 2009 equal pay law, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. '


www.ibtimes.com/articles/325705/20120409...



(emphasis added)

Jesus had two dads, and he turned out alright.~ Andy Gussert

“Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law.

If someone says, “Oh, I’m not a feminist,” I ask, “Why, what’s your problem?”

Dale Spender
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 5:45PM #2
voice-crying
Posts: 7,222

They have gotten bold.

"Death and life [are] in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."Proverbs 18:21
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 7:04PM #3
mainecaptain
Posts: 21,790

Regressives also known as (right wing, conservatives, republicans,) are rabidly anti women. And I mean rabid. Anti children, anti poor, anti working class. And that includes those ones not rich.


They are so brainwashed by the regressive media talkers, and their politicians they are also rabidly anti women, even the women themselves.

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 7:21PM #4
aarroottoonn
Posts: 3,128

Apr 12, 2012 -- 6:18AM, Kwinters wrote:


How can women consider America a land of equal opportunity if we cannot be assured that we have recourse if we are not treated equally?


'Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker did nothing to refute the idea that Republicans are waging a "war on women" late last week when he quietly signed three controversial bills that limit access to abortion services and sex education and repealed the state's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, on the eve of the holiday weekend.

'...In what was perhaps his most surprising move, Walker signed a bill repealing the state's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court.


The law allowed individuals to plead their discrimination cases in the less costly state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court, a provision the newest legislation rolled back. Jeff Hynes, the president of the Wisconsin Employment Lawyers Association, told the Journal Sentinel the changes sends a signal to employers that mistreat their workers that they "can get away with it every time."


"The governor and the Republican leadership in Wisconsin have effectuated a one-two punch with respect to employees' rights to get any meaningful remedy" in discrimination cases, Hynes told the newspaper.


The law approved by Walker removes the ability for victims of wage discrimination to go to court for compensatory and punitive damages, although they still have the ability to seek back pay. Hynes noted that Walker previously signed legislation that puts a limit on the amount of attorney's fees victims can recover in lawsuits, making it even less likely that wronged employees will take their cases to court.


Under the new law, there will be no remedy for justice under state employment law for women who are sexually harassed in the workplace, or for minorities who are subjected to racial epithets and other signs of discrimination...


'...The ratio of women's to men's earnings in the state reached its highest point in 2010 -- 82.8 percent -- after the passage of the 2009 equal pay law, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. '


www.ibtimes.com/articles/325705/20120409...



(emphasis added)




Women have recourse, just as they have had in the past. All this does is make the woman file a federal claim. Somehow the idea that these often frivilous claims should be made in the "cheap" state system, rather the more expensive federal system, is reducing a woman's ability to claim she was treated unfairly.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:03PM #5
withwonderingawe
Posts: 5,374

Laws like this lead to frivolous claims jamming up the state courts, real claims can stand up in federal court and is where they belong.


Did ya know women in the White House earn 18% less than the men who work in the White House


freebeacon.com/hostile-workplace/

Wise men still seek him.
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:39PM #6
Bodean
Posts: 9,703

Apr 12, 2012 -- 6:18AM, Kwinters wrote:


How can women consider America a land of equal opportunity if we cannot be assured that we have recourse if we are not treated equally?


'Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker did nothing to refute the idea that Republicans are waging a "war on women" late last week when he quietly signed three controversial bills that limit access to abortion services and sex education and repealed the state's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, on the eve of the holiday weekend.

'...In what was perhaps his most surprising move, Walker signed a bill repealing the state's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court.


The law allowed individuals to plead their discrimination cases in the less costly state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court, a provision the newest legislation rolled back. Jeff Hynes, the president of the Wisconsin Employment Lawyers Association, told the Journal Sentinel the changes sends a signal to employers that mistreat their workers that they "can get away with it every time."


"The governor and the Republican leadership in Wisconsin have effectuated a one-two punch with respect to employees' rights to get any meaningful remedy" in discrimination cases, Hynes told the newspaper.


The law approved by Walker removes the ability for victims of wage discrimination to go to court for compensatory and punitive damages, although they still have the ability to seek back pay. Hynes noted that Walker previously signed legislation that puts a limit on the amount of attorney's fees victims can recover in lawsuits, making it even less likely that wronged employees will take their cases to court.


Under the new law, there will be no remedy for justice under state employment law for women who are sexually harassed in the workplace, or for minorities who are subjected to racial epithets and other signs of discrimination...


'...The ratio of women's to men's earnings in the state reached its highest point in 2010 -- 82.8 percent -- after the passage of the 2009 equal pay law, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. '


www.ibtimes.com/articles/325705/20120409...



(emphasis added)





Here are the issues without the partisan hyperbole.


1) The first bill requires doctors to speak with a woman seeking an abortion alone to ensure no one is forcing her into the procedureSO .. what's wrong with that??


2) The other bill bans abortion coverage in policies sold through a health insurance exchange except in cases of rape, incest or medical necessity. The exchange is set up as a marketplace for small businesses and individuals to shop for health insurance coverage. It's set to begin in 2014 under last year's landmark federal health care lawAs I see it, this bill will be irrelevant anyways after Obamacare is thrown out in the SCOTUS.  It's more symbolic than substantial.  But still, it retains the coverage in the cases where most all Americans agree, rape, incest and medical necessity. .. in essense, it just prevents using Abortion as Birth Control.  And again, only in the Exchange.


So .. far .. I see no issues.


3) On Thursday, with little fanfare, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed a bill repealing the state’s 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which allowed victims of workplace discrimination to seek damages in state courts.  ...... To bring a suit under the law, a plaintiff first had to go through a state-level administrative process to prove discrimination. It was rigorous enough that in the two years the law was in effect, not a single equal-pay lawsuit was filed.


Grothman says companies are being bombarded with false accusations of discrimination. “It’s an underreported problem, but a huge number of discrimination claims are baseless,” he says. “Most of them are filed by fired employees, and really today almost anybody is a protected class.” As a result, he says, many companies are forced to pay fired employees to go away. He argues that the Wisconsin law, which allowed for damages of up to $300,000, the same amount as in federal law, raised the cost of doing business in the state to intolerable levels.


The plaintifs still have all rights protected under Federal Law in Federal Court.  This State Law was more of a convenience than a protection .. .and turned out to be haven for false accusations.


What harm is there is eliminating a costly redundancy??


One of the main things noticed in all of the reporting, is the Media's compliance with the DNC talking point of some sort of "war on women".  The Equal Pay issue is not relegated to women, and since no suits have been filed, it doesn't benefit anyone, including women.


This is all nothing more than political propaganda.  More of the DNC with its accomplices in the Liberal Media trying to stir up something where nothing exists through lies and deceit.

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:59PM #7
withwonderingawe
Posts: 5,374

This is all nothing more than political propaganda.  More of the DNC with its accomplices in the Liberal Media trying to stir up something where nothing exists through lies and deceit.






Amen!

Wise men still seek him.
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 1:01AM #8
Erey
Posts: 19,149

Just because legislation has the words "women and equality" thrown in there does not make it good or practical legislation. 

Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:20PM #9
Find1Answer
Posts: 7,351

Apr 12, 2012 -- 8:39PM, Bodean wrote:

Apr 12, 2012 -- 6:18AM, Kwinters wrote:


How can women consider America a land of equal opportunity if we cannot be assured that we have recourse if we are not treated equally?


'Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker did nothing to refute the idea that Republicans are waging a "war on women" late last week when he quietly signed three controversial bills that limit access to abortion services and sex education and repealed the state's Equal Pay Enforcement Act, on the eve of the holiday weekend.

'...In what was perhaps his most surprising move, Walker signed a bill repealing the state's 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which made it easier for victims of wage discrimination to have their day in court.


The law allowed individuals to plead their discrimination cases in the less costly state circuit court system, rather than just in federal court, a provision the newest legislation rolled back. Jeff Hynes, the president of the Wisconsin Employment Lawyers Association, told the Journal Sentinel the changes sends a signal to employers that mistreat their workers that they "can get away with it every time."


"The governor and the Republican leadership in Wisconsin have effectuated a one-two punch with respect to employees' rights to get any meaningful remedy" in discrimination cases, Hynes told the newspaper.


The law approved by Walker removes the ability for victims of wage discrimination to go to court for compensatory and punitive damages, although they still have the ability to seek back pay. Hynes noted that Walker previously signed legislation that puts a limit on the amount of attorney's fees victims can recover in lawsuits, making it even less likely that wronged employees will take their cases to court.


Under the new law, there will be no remedy for justice under state employment law for women who are sexually harassed in the workplace, or for minorities who are subjected to racial epithets and other signs of discrimination...


'...The ratio of women's to men's earnings in the state reached its highest point in 2010 -- 82.8 percent -- after the passage of the 2009 equal pay law, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. '


www.ibtimes.com/articles/325705/20120409...



(emphasis added)





Here are the issues without the partisan hyperbole.


1) The first bill requires doctors to speak with a woman seeking an abortion alone to ensure no one is forcing her into the procedureSO .. what's wrong with that??


2) The other bill bans abortion coverage in policies sold through a health insurance exchange except in cases of rape, incest or medical necessity. The exchange is set up as a marketplace for small businesses and individuals to shop for health insurance coverage. It's set to begin in 2014 under last year's landmark federal health care lawAs I see it, this bill will be irrelevant anyways after Obamacare is thrown out in the SCOTUS.  It's more symbolic than substantial.  But still, it retains the coverage in the cases where most all Americans agree, rape, incest and medical necessity. .. in essense, it just prevents using Abortion as Birth Control.  And again, only in the Exchange.


So .. far .. I see no issues.


3) On Thursday, with little fanfare, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed a bill repealing the state’s 2009 Equal Pay Enforcement Act, which allowed victims of workplace discrimination to seek damages in state courts.  ...... To bring a suit under the law, a plaintiff first had to go through a state-level administrative process to prove discrimination. It was rigorous enough that in the two years the law was in effect, not a single equal-pay lawsuit was filed.


Grothman says companies are being bombarded with false accusations of discrimination. “It’s an underreported problem, but a huge number of discrimination claims are baseless,” he says. “Most of them are filed by fired employees, and really today almost anybody is a protected class.” As a result, he says, many companies are forced to pay fired employees to go away. He argues that the Wisconsin law, which allowed for damages of up to $300,000, the same amount as in federal law, raised the cost of doing business in the state to intolerable levels.


The plaintifs still have all rights protected under Federal Law in Federal Court.  This State Law was more of a convenience than a protection .. .and turned out to be haven for false accusations.


What harm is there is eliminating a costly redundancy??


One of the main things noticed in all of the reporting, is the Media's compliance with the DNC talking point of some sort of "war on women".  The Equal Pay issue is not relegated to women, and since no suits have been filed, it doesn't benefit anyone, including women.


This is all nothing more than political propaganda.  More of the DNC with its accomplices in the Liberal Media trying to stir up something where nothing exists through lies and deceit.



1) The first bill requires doctors to speak with a woman seeking an abortion alone to ensure no one is forcing her into the procedure
.  SO .. what's wrong with that??


She just has to convince the doctor she came alone ,  maybe on her bike.   no one drove her and no one came along to lend support.   The doctor is liable under law to ascertain the patient made the decision alone under penalty of law.        I do not know if Wisconsin has a spousal consent law or not or a parental consent or not but if they do the patient will still need to convince her doc that she came alone on her bike.      It is a stupid restricting law.    Just another hoop to jump through.   What is up with all these restrictions on a legal abortion.    


If there is no War on Women then why are all these legislators writing legislation concerning women and why are they all piling on?    I think these bills are political propaganda,    I thought they were suppose to be all about the economy.    I do not think that legislators need to be meddling in women's reproductive issues,  what are they? experts?    Why don't they legislate the genesis of the perceived problems concerning women reproductive systems.    The male part of it.    

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
Quick Reply
Cancel
3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 10:34PM #10
Find1Answer
Posts: 7,351

Apr 12, 2012 -- 8:59PM, withwonderingawe wrote:

This is all nothing more than political propaganda.  More of the DNC with its accomplices in the Liberal Media trying to stir up something where nothing exists through lies and deceit.






Amen!


oh so all this meddling in women's reproductive medical issues is not political propaganda and posturing by the fundy politicians?    Protection of Conscience they call it,  what a load of hogwash.      I see no law stopping anyone of taking care of their own personal conscience.      You don't want to use contraception?   obtain an abortion?   then don't.     no law saying you have to.   


 Is this what their platform was when they were running for office?   Why the big stick concerning women's reproductive issues,   why are they regulating women's decisions?  Are women halfwits that need to be regulated?     Why if they are so concerned are they not addressing the real problem here or at the very least addressing the male contribution to this problem.


Gov Walker claims that women do not care so much about money or how much they make because women would rather concentrate on family.     Bollocks.   Is he saying that men do not concentrate on family?    Is he saying that men do not care so much if their female co workers or their wives or their significant others get paid less than a male for similar work?      See this is the problem,   traditionally employers would pay males  more or give men the promotion over the female because they were supporting a family which totally ignores that women are also supporting a family.       Equal pay for equal work should not be so difficult to understand.     Gov Walker just gave a bye to employers that they can pay the women less because of some outdated maxim.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
Quick Reply
Cancel
Page 1 of 4  •  1 2 3 4 Next
 
    Viewing this thread :: 0 registered and 1 guest
    No registered users viewing
    Advertisement

    Beliefnet On Facebook