Well,

is it a problem if its true? 

I mean if they are communists, is that a problem? 

Why should that be a problem?

Apr 12, 2012 -- 6:07AM, Kwinters wrote:

Should he retract and apologise for defaming his fellow members of Congress?

He should only retract and apologize if he really means his apology. I really don't understand why politicians and other famous people are expected to apologize for things they have said just when their apologies are not authentic and sincere. 

Apr 12, 2012 -- 9:06PM, TENAC wrote:

Well,

is it a problem if its true? 

I mean if they are communists, is that a problem? 

Why should that be a problem?

No, it isn't a problem if it's true that they are card-carrying members of the Communsit Party USA in Washington, just as it isn't a problem if it's true that Obama is a Muslim (see the other thread about this topic). There's nothing wrong with someone being a Communist (or a Muslim). As I mentioned on the other thread, one of my favorite 20th century American authors, Meridel Le Seuer, was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA, and was blacklisted for decades because of this. The actual problem is that there is a greater chance that the moon is made out of green cheese and that the phases of the moon are caused by large rats eating that green cheese than that there are all of these card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA in Washington. 

I'm not a card-carrying member any more, because I lost my card. I think it might have disintegrated in the dryer. I always knew I should have had it laminated!

Anyway, Rep. West shouldn't worry about all those dirty red godless atheistic commies in Congress since there aren't any, because all the Democrats are Muslims just waiting for their Muslim leader, Mr. You-Know-Who, to declare a fatwa against all congressional Republicans, and launch a jihad against them.

It also proves West and others who him, like to throw the word communist around, have no real idea what it actually means. It is in this type of case intended as an insult, and a way to cause trouble.

Apr 12, 2012 -- 11:20PM, costrel wrote:

Apr 12, 2012 -- 10:03PM, TENAC wrote:

Well, why should West apologize? 

Because you think he should? 

He can have free speech, but not just any speech he wishes?  If his constituents dont like it they can certainly vote him out.

Do you think there are no communists in the Congress?  Really?  If there were, would they more likely be democrat or republican do you think?

I agree, West casts a broad net, but at least he cast it in the correct waters.  Not all democrats are Progressives, so he cast it to the most fertile waters for his catch.

Is this post directed at me, Catboxer, or Kwinters? You should really either quote the post that you are referring to, or address the person you are talking to. I will assume that it is directed at me since my post preceeded it. As I stated before, he should only apologize if he feels he has something to apologize for. I don't give a damn about all of these "saving face" apologies that are expected of the famous and the beautiful. People seem to think that someone famous -- a politician, an actor, a singer, etc. -- should automatically apologize whenever he or she says something that other people don't like. I say they should only apologize if they are genuinely and sincerely sorry for what they said. Any other kind of apology is insincere and hypocritical.  

Do I think there are any Communists in congress? No; I don't think so. There perhaps are a few politicians who might be sympathetic to certain Marxist or Communistic ideas, but no, I do not believe there are any members of the Communist Party USA in Congress. So unless one can prove otherwise, beyond the shadow of a doubt, I will continue to believe what I believe -- that there are no CPUSA members in Congress. And if there are any Communists in Congress, they would be neither Democrats nor Republicans -- they would be Communists. (Though perhaps Washington would be better off if there actually were some Communists in Congress.) 

And no, West is not casting his net in the correct waters. He's just being anachronistic and idiotic. 

Not directed at you per se, but at the thread and several responses.

I am trying to think of communist ideas I think are pretty good, that I could support or be sympathetic to.

The only one I can think of is the plight of the people who suffer under communist ideas/ideals throughout communist regimes that are left.  (emphasis on LEFT).

Being a little bit communist is like being a little bit pregnant?

Understand where conservatives come from on this.  Not democrats in general, but the progressives in particular.  Again a socialist agenda that has to disguise its name and true goals. 

Socialist->Liberal->Progressive.  Pick the name de jour.

What name will it be next so to hide your goals?  Given that is historically accurate (name changing and misdirection), why would a communist come out and show their membership card?  I think Conyers is the only member of congress to do that.  Oh, and he's a democrat.  Also a member of the Progressive Caucus.  I think West cast his net correctly.

This is another reason conservatives have and continue to view obama so skeptically.  His background and views associated with marxist professors and being sympathetic to SAlinsky given reason for this.  So far I think it is born out correct based on the way he has governed.  Google Alinsky and read, or just read his biographies.

The problem with this type of politic is that the ends always justifiy the means.  I dont think we have seen half of what obama has instore for this country.  If he happens to be reelected, we shall see, but you will never EVER hear a Progressive or obama detail precisely their ideals or their agenda.  The American people would toss them out.

West owes no one an apology.  He, as I have done here, is likely only speaking to what he has observed in his short tenure in office.  His state can vote him out, but I think he still has a right to free speech.

Why cant a Socialist->Liberal->Progressive just come out and debate their ideas?

They cant!  Where are those in Congress you feel might have some sympathies to communist ideas?  Why dont they simply come out and indicate that

"ol' Karl, he had a pretty good idea about taking from those that have to give to those that have not." 

OH!  They have!  And lost.  So it gets repackaged as Socialist->Liberal->Progressive but never brought out in the light of day but discussed in the back rooms about how can we fool them better this time.

Even lately obama had to AGAIN say he doesnt want to redistribute wealth, but that is at odds with other statements he has made!  Shhhhh, we cant let them know what we REALLY think...........

If you believe in it SAY IT!  BELIEVE IT! 

Anyway.......