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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 6:07AM #1
Kwinters
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Should he retract and apologise for defaming his fellow members of Congress?

'...Addressing a town-hall meeting Tuesday in Florida, the freshman lawmaker was asked how many members of the American legislature are "card-carrying Marxists." West said "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party." He did not provide names.


West's office said Wednesday that the congressman stood by the comments and was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, the largest group within the House Democratic caucus...'



www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/201204...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:18AM #2
catboxer
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No apology necessary. This is just an example of Republicans talking shit again. The Ryan budget is another. Romney's speech about female unemployment yesterday is another.


It just means they're scared. When they feel threatened, they always double down.


Their day is coming very soon.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:46AM #3
Unworthyone
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Apoligize?  Hell no!  I think he ought to hold hearings, just like McCarthy did.  He should  drag somebody from every branch of government and every walk of life before his committee so he can smear them with rumors and gossip.


In other words, I would like to see him double down and completely expose himself for the ass he is, just like McCarthy did,

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 12:40PM #4
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It's sorta like saying the Democratic party IS the CPUSA. if you're a Democrat you are a damned Communist. It's kinda like saying if you are a Republican you are a Nazi.


 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 4:37PM #5
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I also heard that there are 83 members of the Wingo-publican Congressional delegation who are harbouring Saddam Hussein's elusive WMDs.  On the positive side, maybe some of them will meet their demise as Tailgunner Joe did. 

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 4:48PM #6
catboxer
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Allen West is scarier than Joe was in a way, because he appears to be sober.


I don't believe Joe McCarthy drew a sober breath in his entire short life after he was about 20.


Maybe West is off his meds.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 4:53PM #7
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West added, "I believe the Titanic never sank, Elvis is alive, and I can make bluebirds fly out of my butt."

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 5:19PM #8
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Maybe if someone held a pistol to Rep. West's head, he'd give up those names! Holding a pistol upside someone's head seems to be his preferred method of getting information - as witness this incident during his service in Iraq:


West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men. The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, an Iraqi police officer. West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted nor witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi. In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Hamoodi appeared to reach for his weapon and needed to be subdued. Hamoodi was beaten by four soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body. West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head, after which Hamoodi provided West with names and information, which Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain." At least one of these suspects was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found. West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."


West was charged with violating articles 128 and 134 (which deal with assault and generalities respectively) of the Military Justice Code. During a hearing held as part of the Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers." The charges were ultimately referred to a non-court-martial proceeding, at which West was fined $5,000. West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 7:23PM #9
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Apr 12, 2012 -- 6:07AM, Kwinters wrote:


Should he retract and apologise for defaming his fellow members of Congress?

'...Addressing a town-hall meeting Tuesday in Florida, the freshman lawmaker was asked how many members of the American legislature are "card-carrying Marxists." West said "there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party." He did not provide names.


West's office said Wednesday that the congressman stood by the comments and was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, the largest group within the House Democratic caucus...'



www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/201204...




No. Hyperbole it (probably) is. Defaming it is not. Alan Grayson didn't apologize for claiming R's want you to die. West's wasn't a 100th that bad.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 12, 2012 - 8:16PM #10
catboxer
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Tu quoque is the second-most-common logical fallacy (right after ad hominem).


A better defense of this would be that he didn't know what he was saying, which is close the truth because he obviously didn't know what he was talking about.


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