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3 years ago  ::  Apr 07, 2012 - 10:19AM #1
Bodean
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So .. in this edition of CAGW run amok .. we have California Politicians running people off their lands in the name of "codes".  Allegedly, "neighbors" were complaining ... yeah right, the nearest neighbor is like miles away.  What this really boiled down to was Leftists Cronie Capitalism, more of the same that we've seen from our splendid President for "all the people" as some claim.

wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/06/the-ugly-...

"These [The Solar Companies] are presumably the anonymous “neighbors” who were asking for previous residents to be evicted. Apparently it is not enough that our green crony capitalists are getting billions in taxpayer subsidies, or that that rate-payers are forced to buy their “renewable” energy at extra-high prices. They also need their pet politicians to steal the land for them."


And .. yet, .. I"m sure that our Leftists Doctrinaires here will wave their hands and come up with some excuse.

Again .. why do "Freedom and Liberty" loving Americans put up with this crap??   
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 07, 2012 - 1:00PM #2
Find1Answer
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So I sometimes get my rightists and my leftists mixed up so who is responsible for this?   issue of eminent domain and from a foreign company no less!!!



Part of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, eminent domain allows for the federal government and the states to take privately owned land for "public use." It is unclear whether or not the Keystone Pipeline would service the public.


www.pri.org/stories/science/energy/trans...

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 12:58AM #3
paeng
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"Leftists (sic) cronie (sic) capitalism"?


You mean crony capitalism. That's not leftist, especially given the presence of capitalism.


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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 9:55AM #4
Bodean
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:58AM, paeng wrote:


"Leftists (sic) cronie (sic) capitalism"?


You mean crony capitalism. That's not leftist, especially given the presence of capitalism.





Are you implying that leftists don't engage in cronieism??


Sure their desire is to destroy capitalism, but they have to get to a point of power first, which will require that they operate within what exists first.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 11:10AM #5
Find1Answer
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 9:55AM, Bodean wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:58AM, paeng wrote:


"Leftists (sic) cronie (sic) capitalism"?


You mean crony capitalism. That's not leftist, especially given the presence of capitalism.





Are you implying that leftists don't engage in cronieism??


Sure their desire is to destroy capitalism, but they have to get to a point of power first, which will require that they operate within what exists first.


are you implying that rightists don't engage in cronyism?   One of the dead ringer indicators of neo cons is their crony capitalism.   look to no bid no oversight contracts in the war monger industry.


and is cronieism a special spelling for what leftists doctrinaires,  whatever that means, engage in?   

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 11:32AM #6
Bodean
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 11:10AM, Find1Answer wrote:

Apr 11, 2012 -- 9:55AM, Bodean wrote:


Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:58AM, paeng wrote:


"Leftists (sic) cronie (sic) capitalism"?


You mean crony capitalism. That's not leftist, especially given the presence of capitalism.





Are you implying that leftists don't engage in cronieism??


Sure their desire is to destroy capitalism, but they have to get to a point of power first, which will require that they operate within what exists first.




are you implying that rightists don't engage in cronyism?   One of the dead ringer indicators of neo cons is their crony capitalism.   look to no bid no oversight contracts in the war monger industry.


and is cronieism a special spelling for what leftists doctrinaires,  whatever that means, engage in?   





Point out anywhere on this site where I make a claim that the right does not engage in cronyism.


Of course they do.  Everyone does.  Even within the socialists utopias .. cronyism is there.


But such a question is irrelevant to the point that the CA govt is engaged in taking peoples land away in order to give it to their cronies in a solar farm industry, which the govt will then force the people of CA to pay inflated prices for the energy produced from said solar farm. .. which will eventually be proven to be an inefficient failure, costing people more than it is worth.


But hey ... the solar guys will get rich off the deal.


So .. what's the difference between the solar guys getting rich and the oil guys getting rich??


PE .. as far as the spelling goes .. I don't use the word ... crony cronie cronies cronyism ... I was a tad lazy in my spelling.  But .. ok .. I guess that makes me an unintelligent Conservative with an IQ lower than yours [since you are a leftists], and therefore, I have nothing useful to say.  So why bother??

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 12:21PM #7
Find1Answer
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only pointed out the spelling because I wondered if it was a special spelling for leftists,   never know with you.    You have valid arguments and ideas that get buried with your leftist rants.    You only want to talk about what you say the leftists do but did not address the eminent domain issues with the XL,   even the taking of land or the lawsuits for a route that has not even been determined.


everything the rightists do is correct but what the leftists do is wrong.     You would have more comment if you left off the leftist slant.   it muddles the issues.


and no I guess under careful reading you did not state that rightists do not engage in crony capitalism,   but your implication was  pretty clear.

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 5:14PM #8
MMarcoe
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Apr 7, 2012 -- 1:00PM, Find1Answer wrote:



So I sometimes get my rightists and my leftists mixed up so who is responsible for this?   issue of eminent domain and from a foreign company no less!!!



Part of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, eminent domain allows for the federal government and the states to take privately owned land for "public use." It is unclear whether or not the Keystone Pipeline would service the public.


www.pri.org/stories/science/energy/trans...





Don't forget that the Supreme Court in 2005 ruled that governments could take privately owned land for private use as well.


Stuff like this is why more people need to own guns and use them.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 11, 2012 - 9:56PM #9
Bodean
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Apr 11, 2012 -- 12:21PM, Find1Answer wrote:


only pointed out the spelling because I wondered if it was a special spelling for leftists,   never know with you.    You have valid arguments and ideas that get buried with your leftist rants.    You only want to talk about what you say the leftists do but did not address the eminent domain issues with the XL,   even the taking of land or the lawsuits for a route that has not even been determined.


everything the rightists do is correct but what the leftists do is wrong.     You would have more comment if you left off the leftist slant.   it muddles the issues.


and no I guess under careful reading you did not state that rightists do not engage in crony capitalism,   but your implication was  pretty clear.





Ok Find ... I"ll drop the lefty thing.


I think it is wrong for Government to ever take another person's land they have paid for.  It doesn't matter what for, be it for a road, a business, a park, whatever.  I think it is enough that most people would cave to a reasonable cash offer that is at or even slightly above market.


The point of this thread is that the CA gov. is apparently in cahoots with a large solar farm corporation.  It make sense that solar would do well in the middle of the desert, but in order to build such, one needs a lot of land.  Accordingly, "neighbors" complained about certain houses being to code.  Turns out, the annonymous "neighbors" were none other than the solar company itself.  So .. the CA gov. goes in and demands these people bring their places up to code.  Being as most are poor, that just is not possilbe.  So, the government takes their land.


I have a lot of problems with all this.  As I've already mentioned, I disagree with the government ever taking a person's land away. .. even if they can't pay the taxes, if they've paid for the property, it is rightfully theirs.  Also high on my list, is that desert land is traditionally protected to limit the risk to rare fauna and flora.  You may remember several farms being shut down because it threatened the Kangaroo Rat.  Concern was also noted about illegals trampling on rare plants that are found nowhere else but in the area through which they crossed.  So .. there is an evironmental concern here as well.


Lastly ... this whole gov. grab of land is born out of the believe in the CAGW story, and as such, the need to create these large wind and solar farms.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for wind and solar, but my support is at the point of service, not in large god awful farms that kill bats and birds, and destroy other wildlife.  There is also the part about corporate control over the energy.  A subsidy to some Corporate Group allows them to bypass investment and risk, and thus "charge" for an energy source the public has already payed for.  Further, as defined by those who live in CA, for which I've not confirmed, patrons are forced to pay higher energy cost because of the inefficiency of the wind and solar system that exists on the corporate level.


Short story long ... get rid of the Global Warming story, and none of this above takes place. .. at least not in the wind and solar arena.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 13, 2012 - 2:44AM #10
Find1Answer
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Thanks Bo    I actually agree with you on all points.      I think our only  disagreement is that I think they are all in on it and you think that only the lefties are.     

Bush's "de-Bathification program" eliminated all vestiges of Sunni power in Iraqi society and set the stage for the Sunni insurrection against American occupation and the new Shiite-led government. Bush disbanded the entire Sunni-dominated Iraqi Army and bureaucracy. He didn't change it. He didn't make it more inclusive of Shiites and Kurds. He just disbanded it. It is no accident that two of the top commanders of today's ISIL are former commanders in the Saddam-era Iraqi military.
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