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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 7:15PM #1
d_p_m
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It appears that a former nursing student flipped out and shot seven of his former classmates.

Anyone want to make a bet on how long before the talking heads go off on more 'gun control' rants?


www.startribune.com/nation/145898135.htm...


www.todaysthv.com/news/article/205214/28...



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 7:46PM #2
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I will start. We need real gun control in this country. We need to end "right to carry" laws. No one needs to carry a fire arm. The only legitimate uses for fire arms are 1. hunting, 2. sport target shooting. Fire arms are not appropriate for "personal protection" They are not appropriate for "fending off the federales"  Oh and despite what the new "conservative" activist Supremes  say, the Constitution DOES NOT give you a right to carry or own a firearm. It does give you the right to join the National Guard. 


If you value life, you support gun control. If you value death, you oppose gun control. It is really that simple.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 10:29PM #3
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Makes me glad I went to the violent incident class, but I sure hope I never have to use it.  


I do wonder if there is more violence or if we just hear about more of it closer to real time.  Apparently around 150 years ago, being a teacher was a pretty risky proposition due to the risk of getting beaten by students.  We didn't even start thinking about child abuse as a medical problem until the end of the 1950s.  


I also really think we need a lot more mental health professionals and better insurance coverage for mental health.  

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 11:27PM #4
Ebon
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:15PM, d_p_m wrote:

Anyone want to make a bet on how long before the talking heads go off on more 'gun control' rants?



They're not getting the chance lately. Every time some nut goes off, the "talking heads" pop up, rubbishing the gun control argument before it's even made.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 11:33PM #5
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:15PM, d_p_m wrote:

It appears that a former nursing student flipped out and shot seven of his former classmates.

Anyone want to make a bet on how long before the talking heads go off on more 'gun control' rants?




Hello,

So we're to take your word for this?



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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 11:44PM #6
Ebon
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Because I'm nice (if cynical), here's a link:


www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17590...

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 02, 2012 - 11:48PM #7
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 11:27PM, Ebon wrote:


Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:15PM, d_p_m wrote:

Anyone want to make a bet on how long before the talking heads go off on more 'gun control' rants?



They're not getting the chance lately. Every time some nut goes off, the "talking heads" pop up, rubbishing the gun control argument before it's even made.




Yes, the pro shoot people crowd

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2012 - 12:17AM #8
Ebon
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 11:48PM, mainecaptain wrote:

Yes, the pro shoot people crowd



Maybe. I'm sure they see themselves differently.


Thing is, I don't think it matters. Whether you or I think guns should be banned or snuggle them tightly at nights, it's not going to make any difference. Nothing will ever make any difference. Scorpio could walk straight out of Dirty Harry and open up with a Kalasnikov on a school bus and it wouldn't matter. Nothing would change. The pro-gun lobby and the anti-gun lobby would trot out their usual speakers to make the same pleas we've all heard a dozen times and no-one's mind will be changed except maybe the parents of the kids on that school bus and probably not even then.


Guns are too embedded in the American bloodstream. The pro-gun lobby is too powerful to lose any fight and even if they weren't, if the NRA closed it's doors tomorrow, you'd still have the problem that so much of your cultural mythology is based around guns. Dirty Harry, "remember the Alamo!", every western ever made. Cultural mythology is the shared set of myths and legends that a society tells about itself and you might not be aware of this but your media enforces that cultural mythology constantly, more than probably any country in the free world. Sometime, when you have an afternoon free, sit and watch TV and count the number of times someone speaks about the USA is glowing terms or references it as the best, free-est, etc country in the world. Even when you criticise the country, you have to point out that you love it too. Everywhere else, that's just assumed but the USA, you have almost competative patriotism. Spoonfeeding you that cultural mythology every moment of every day. And every time I say this, someone comes out with "Britain is no better" (which is partly true but misses the point) or "what about X?" (again, assuming a negative comment about the country is a blanket condemnation) or just "well, it's true" (no comment necessary). The cultural mythology becomes an article of faith, self-reinforcing. There are many things I love about the USA (see, even I feel the need to make that clear) and maybe I'll do a post about them sometimes but the stories you tell yourselves about yourselves...


And a lot of that cultural mythology involves guns. And the beauty of cultural mythology is that it's virtually never critically examined, only defended. Think of Americana and somewhere in the background will be guns. Sometimes they're for hunting, sometimes for defence, never for sport shooting (which is odd, you'd think there'd be some fictional character who shoots as a hobby) but the guns will usually be there. They're too deeply enmeshed now. In too many people's pocket and desk drawer, too much a normal part of everyday life to be removed. In Britain, handguns were finally banned in 1997 (which I personally feel goes too far) but that came after nearly a century of gradual refining of the regulations and even then, it took a primary school massacre to make it happen(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_ma...). We were already used to the idea of gun control. Without that, the massacre wouldn't have had the effect that it did. In the States, the idea of gun control is almost entirely foreign to you. And the fact that it is so foreign and the powerful effect on the public psyche, means it will almost certainly remain that way. Forever.

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2 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2012 - 12:45AM #9
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:46PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


I will start. We need real gun control in this country. We need to end "right to carry" laws. No one needs to carry a fire arm. The only legitimate uses for fire arms are 1. hunting, 2. sport target shooting. Fire arms are not appropriate for "personal protection" They are not appropriate for "fending off the federales"  Oh and despite what the new "conservative" activist Supremes  say, the Constitution DOES NOT give you a right to carry or own a firearm. It does give you the right to join the National Guard. 


If you value life, you support gun control. If you value death, you oppose gun control. It is really that simple.




Article [II]


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


There is still a reason for the right to bear arms. Think Syria, Think Libya Think Blanchard, Oklahoma


“On New Year’s Eve, the Oklahoma mother proved she was anything but defenseless after she shot and killed an intruder breaking into her home, the Daily Mail reports.


On New Year’s Eve, the Oklahoma mother proved she was anything but defenseless after she shot and killed an intruder breaking into her home, the Daily Mail reports.


Two men tried breaking into Ms McKinley’s house, one armed with a 12-inch hunting knife.


The distressed young mother called 911 to request advice on what to do with the armed men


"I’m in here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"


"I’ve got two guns in my hand - is it okay to shoot him if he comes in the door?" she said to the dispatcher.


The dispatcher replies: "I can’t tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby."


Ms McKinley then shot one of the intruders in the torso with a 12-gauge shotgun, killing him


www.perthnow.com.au/news/oaklahoma-teen-...


 


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2 years ago  ::  Apr 03, 2012 - 2:31AM #10
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Apr 2, 2012 -- 7:46PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


I will start. We need real gun control in this country. We need to end "right to carry" laws. No one needs to carry a fire arm. The only legitimate uses for fire arms are 1. hunting, 2. sport target shooting. Fire arms are not appropriate for "personal protection" They are not appropriate for "fending off the federales"  Oh and despite what the new "conservative" activist Supremes  say, the Constitution DOES NOT give you a right to carry or own a firearm. It does give you the right to join the National Guard. 


If you value life, you support gun control. If you value death, you oppose gun control. It is really that simple.




I agree.


But I would also repeal the Second Amendment.

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