Apr 8, 2012 -- 4:57AM, Dostojevsky wrote:

What's hateful about Thomas saying Jews own White House?

>>>>It's a filthy lie, that's what is hateful.  It is said to stimulate hatred against Jews.

Would Russians complain if she had said Russians own White House?

>>>>>If they don't like lies, yes they should.  But 'Jews' are not a nationality.

Australia owns White House? Wooppee*

Now that's just cute.  Again, Jewish is not a nationality

If anybody is to complain it is Americans whose allegiance is not divided, to America first and foremost.

>>>> Why, Dos - thank you foor proclaiming that I and every other Jew has 'divided loyalties' and isn't a 'true American patriot'.   

The blood of my relatives shed in this nations military cries out against such a heinous libel.  What a hateful lie.

They should demand explanations from  the White House and to clear other allegations she had made, not sweep it under the carpet.

NO, Dos - we should wonder about Helen Thomas' 'divided loyalties' - being as how she's happily scooping up an 'award' from a group of terrorists who've murdered American citizens. 

Perhaps Leah could tell us how many Jewish Senators in White House: one, two....

 WE don't elect our Congresscritters for being Jews:  it's the Congress of the US and we elect them for how they will represent the needs of AMERICANS - of which some of whom are Jews.   

If the Russians had been even a tenth as good to their Jewish citizens as America, then my firends and family would probably call me 'Natashka Feyodorovna' ....but they weren't.

I had a great-uncle who drowned when he was three.  In the (communal) laundry tub of the village.  Because the Cossacks tossed him in and used their lances to keep his little hands off the edges of the tub.

The people couldn't complain - because the Cossacks were under the direct command of the Tzar.  Nor could they move, because they were only alllowed to live in areas where the Government said they could.  Their boys were 'drafted' at age 12 for 25 years - and not allowed to sleep under a roof of a Christian home (no barracks in those days!), so they got unheated barns to huddle in.  During the Russian winter.....

That explains why my great-uncles left for American at about the age of 10, if the family had enough money to send someone that year.  After a couple of the boys were working, then they could afford to get the girls out in a group.  Which is why my one great-aunt was known as 'the princess' and 'the American' - she was only 3 when she left, and her two older sisters used to make her fancy clothes and dote on her.  She grew up speaking 'real English', never said 'hairs' for 'hair' or mixed up her 'v' and 'w'.....

My grandparents' generation understood even before WW1 that they were alive and well MOSTLY because they were in America and not Europe.  Most of them kept their naturalization papers ON THEIR PERSON, and were proud to show anyone that they were 'a real American'.  My grandmother wore hers in a pouch around her waist, under her clothes ....  One of my NA friends described this as 'a medicine bag'.

My father left a Regent's scholarship - full tuition to the University of PA! - to volunteer for the military because it was 'a shonde' (a scandal) if Jewish boys didn't volunteer, too.  (He graduated in '43- by then we knew about the camps.)   My uncle was in line to go to the Pacific, but then they needed someone who spoke Russian....."Da!  Dos vedanyeh! Bozhemoi!" he yelled out (Yes! Good day!OhmyGOD!) - and they tapped him to stay Stateside and do translation.  (Oh, that was all the Russian he knew - but he had a 'photographic' memory and read superfast.  So he bought every book he could find on Russian in California, and spent all the time on the train to DC reading dictionaries and grammar texts...he got a couple of medals for his work, too!)

As for me, I was raised knowing that my parents only lived long enough to fall in love with each other because they were American....  And that was part of my 'values' growing up, that I literally owed my existance, my every breath, to this nation.  IT STILL IS!

So - although this has been completely off-topic on one level - I hope it will be allowed to remain because I am very certain many other Jewish descendants of immigrants feel about the same. 

I know that our Jewish immigrant love for the 'Mother of Exiles' is not unique:  I have heard it from Korean, Chinese, Mexican, Hmong, Polish, Swedish, and many many others.  I've heard it from Anabaptists and Mormons and Baha'i and Muslims. 

I think that any of them would be as deeply offended at any suggestion by ANYONE that our enthusiasm for our cultural heritage - which includes our ethnicity and religion! - in any way diminishes our dedication to America.

We did have a raging idiot in the White House who was stupid enough to state that he didn't think a person could be an atheist and be a US patriot.  But that's our 'freedom of speech' - freedom to make an idiot of oneself by slandering loyal fellow Americans, by ASSuming that some religious views are 'more American' than others. 

Leah,

It is common knowledge that Lieberman's rhetoric is far worse than Helen Thomas's, he proposes that ALL Israeli-Arabs should lose Israeli citizenship as a result of a peace agreement.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/09/israel...

KSai - you appear to be in error as to what the article in your link actually stated.

"Israel's foreign minister said Monday that some Israeli Arabs should be stripped of their citizenship and placed under Palestinian sovereignty as part of any final peace deal.....

Speaking to reporters at parliament, Lieberman reiterated his stance that resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has to involve redrawing Israel's borders to put some Arab communities under Palestinian sovereignty. In return, Israel would receive West Bank territory."

I saw nothing about All Israeli Arabs as you claimed.  And the idea of a 'tidying up' of the borders to minimize 'minority' towns in both States seems simply common sense.

Apr 8, 2012 -- 1:52PM, rangerken wrote:

The comment that Jews own the whitehouse has been made before and has always been ludicrous. I suppose those who dislike jews in general like to use that canard to bolster their opinion. And those who don't approve of our friendship with Israel use it as well. But the fact is that there simply aren't that many Jews in our country of over 300 million to control anything.

>>>>>>> I agree with the first part of your comment. Albeit there were Jewish people in various White House teams but there is NOTHING wrong with it.

I can think of quite a few Jews in the White house in last 15 years and they were not selected in their respective positions for being "Jewish" but for being good at what they did.

For example, fund raising is important for any modern campaigns and people from Jewish background were selected for that job and they have done well.

Those who do not agree with parts of zionist movements can speak about fanatic zionists but I cannot agree with attacking a whole religion.

I have seen quite a few Jewish people who went out of their ways to support "Just causes". Which included speaking up against Israeli policies and even US policies.

Now going back to "Friendship with Israel". In politics there are no friends, there are only interests. America does not have any economic or political interest in supporting Israel and it's descriminatory policies in the ME.

During first part of world war ll America did little to stop genocidal Nazi regime in Germany and there are allegation that top US corporations even worked with that sadistic regime.

Which brings up the question of some influence of Israeli lobby in the US. There are many credible reports that, Israelis have dispropotionate influences on American politics and policies. Just click on the link below to read one of those analysises.

DOES ISRAEL CONTROL US FOREIGN POLICY?

There are valid concerns that, US is overtly biased towards Israel and lost credibility in international forum for siding with Israel when Israelis are practicing immoral policies. For example, Israel was not questioned over it's WMD projects but Iran is getting threats against it power plant which is alledgedly for peaceful purpose (As per Iranian claim). Iran is not even near making an atom bomb and facing sanctions but Israel get away with much more.

So what gives? How a country which ignored genuine plight of Jewish people during first parts of wrold war ll can overtly side with unfair policies of Israel.

Maybe most Americans are not aware of how policies (Specifically foreign policies works in Washigton) are formulated but that does not mean NRA, Israeli lobby, AARP, saudi Arabia does not have any influence over US politics.

I am fine with people who are openly biased towards Israel. But why deny it?