Mar 28, 2012 -- 10:45AM, mountain_man wrote:

Mar 28, 2012 -- 9:41AM, Esdraelon wrote:

It is always amusing how you liberals try to bring an argument to a conclusion by 'refuting' it according to your declarations.....

No "Liberal" refuted what you said, the facts did. Oh, sorry, I forgot, you don't like facts. They always seem to get in your way.

Then I daresay your weeping will be nonstop after the first Tuesday this November.

No, if a Regressive gets in the White House, the whole country, except for the uber rich, will be weeping. Ever see the movie "Metropolis"? That's what the Regressives want.

LOL! It's amazing! You have a complete inability to discern when what you're putting out is something out of the south end of a horse traveling north....

Mar 28, 2012 -- 11:02AM, Unworthyone wrote:

My wife and I came to an agreement before our only daughter was born.  We agreed that no matter what, we would always tell our daughter the truth... 

This is the exact same thing my wife and I did, and we figured that when they're old enough to ask the right questions, then they would get the right answers, plus the one who was asked the questions had to answer them.  The ages of our three kids when they found out about the basics was 4, 6, and 7.  There was another family who were upset that our 4 year old daughter was given that information when she asked how the child got in "there" whereas my wife was pregnant with our son? 

BTW, I was the one who got the question, and when I gave a vague answer, she kept on asking more questions, and more questions, ... 

Mar 28, 2012 -- 11:02AM, Unworthyone wrote:

Apparently, ignorance and misinformation is preferable to fact-based education in Utah.

My wife and I came to an agreement before our only daughter was born.  We agreed that no matter what, we would always tell our daughter the truth.  And we would explain our values as it related to the truth.  If we did not know the truth, we would educate ourselves before we talked to our daughter.  The end result was our daughter almost always came to us when she had a question, or she would come to us to compare our thoughts with something she had heard or read someplace else.  This is because she looked to us as a reliable source of information and rational thought.

We knew that if she ever suspected we were either lying to her or simply ignorant on a given subject, she would seek her information elsewhere.  And that scared the hell out of us.

We did not try to scare our kid about premarital sex.  We simply gave her the truth about how pregnancy occurs (yes, you can become pregnant your very first time, regardless of what the boy tells you).  We discussed the realities of STDs.  We discussed the potential problems of sex without emotional commitment.  Yes, oral sex is sex. We also discussed where she might find unreliable sources of information (ie porn sites, other kids with their own agendas, Cosmo magazine, etc.).  We discussed the various forms of birth control, their advantages and drawbacks.

Because of this, our daughter was able to keep sex in perspective and filter all the crap from the knowledge, including what she might have heard in a Sex Ed class.

The bottom line is this: Her parents took responsibility for educating her regarding sex and everything else.  Gee, what a novel concept!  Parents parenting!

That is what 'parenting' supposed to be....Kudos to you both...

Our parents lied to us.  They bought into crap that was passed off as information.  The best example was the film called "Reefer Madness"

The end result was an entire generation that dismissed their parents as uninformed, uneducated, and hypocritical.  And once that happened, it was those who had hidden agendas who saw it as open season on the young people of America.  We started to question everything from government authority to public policy to family values and patriotism.  We saw people with great power abusing that power, all the while telling us one thing while doing another.  There were the lies we were told about Vietnam. There was the scandal known as "Watergate" where the president of the United Stated was implicated in a massive cover-up and presidential aids were caught lying to Congress.

In short, it was the previous generation, acting out of fear and ignorance, that led to young people seeking out the truth in other places. Not all those places were good.

More recently, we have the Iran-Contra Scandal, the Monica Lewinsky Affair, and the non-existent "Weapons of Mass Destruction."

Who knows what lies we are being fed these days, from those in power from the right and the left? 

"Let's not talk about sex.  Might lead to someone having sex.  Let's keep our kids ignorant, misinformed, and maybe the icky truth with simply go away." 

So, how that workin' for ya?

Mar 27, 2012 -- 7:35PM, fodaoson wrote:

IF I recall correctly I,  or any of my friends and classmates, did not need instructions  on the “intricacies of intercourse, sexual stimulation,”, they seemed to come naturally.  I came of age in early sixties, Most Married couple on TV slept in separate beds Store mannequins wore tee shirts under the bras, Store window displays did not have mannequins in underwear. We had girls pregnant in Jr High , and in High schools, even Church going Girls.  Sex is not a MIC invented product. It is a basic instinct of most species including humans

The sex ed I had in high school probably went too far in that they were teaching Sophomores and expected the 'kids' to be mature. We practiced putting condoms on bananas, watched childbirth videos, etc...What they didn't talk about and what should be talked about in every sex ed class is self-respect. They didn't tell the girls that if a boy says he won't love you unless you have sex with him then he doesn't love you and is an ass. They didn't tell the boys that their buddies that were harassing them for not 'doing it' were also not doing it. They didn't stress hard enough that if you get pregnant in high school you likely won't graduate and go to college.