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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 10:35AM #1
catboxer
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What did the Koch Brothers and Exxon-Mobil have to do with the murder of Trayvon Martin?

Perhaps you've never heard of ALEC -- the American Legislative Exchange Council. If that's the case, then you aren't aware of why ALEC is the most subversive and dangerous organization operating in the US today, and you need to go read Paul Krugman.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 10:41AM #2
loveontheair
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Hello,



I don't *hate anyone and have been asked many times by my liberal friends--and they know this. But, I most certainly *do not like Krugman. Mean while Soros is quietly watching, perhaps is more dangerous than the those brothers. And yes, I have heard of this group.



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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 10:58AM #3
catboxer
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So OK, you don't like Paul Krugman.


But can you refute the case he makes?


Do you think special corporations have the right to govern us? Because that's what's happening here.


You guys are always waving the Constitution around, but have you read it?

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 11:03AM #4
loveontheair
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:58AM, catboxer wrote:


So OK, you don't like Paul Krugman.


But can you refute the case he makes?


Do you think special corporations have the right to govern us? Because that's what's happening here.


You guys are always waving the Constitution around, but have you read it?





Hello,



Cat...


I believe this country is in one big mess and has been for some time. You know I have read those Documents, as it has come up before. That's the only part of Ron Paul that I do like--namely his language with the Constitution.



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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 11:22AM #5
Jasr
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


I most certainly *do not like Krugman.




Any particular reason why?


Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


Mean while Soros is quietly watching, perhaps is more dangerous than the those brothers.




Any particular reason why?


Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


And yes, I have heard of this group.





Have you heard that ALEC has written hundreds of bills that have been passed into law by Republican state legislators verbatim?

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 11:35AM #6
loveontheair
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 11:22AM, Jasr wrote:


Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


I most certainly *do not like Krugman.




Any particular reason why?


Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


Mean while Soros is quietly watching, perhaps is more dangerous than the those brothers.




Any particular reason why?


Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:41AM, loveontheair wrote:


And yes, I have heard of this group.





Have you heard that ALEC has written hundreds of bills that have been passed into law by Republican state legislators verbatim?





Hello,



Krugman make me vomit--is that good enough?


Soros is a master of Disguise.


Yes, I am aware of this group.



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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 11:38AM #7
Unworthyone
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 10:58AM, catboxer wrote:


So OK, you don't like Paul Krugman.


But can you refute the case he makes?



Aren't you paying attention?  He said he doesn't like Krugman.  It is implicitly understood that if he 'doesn't like Krugman' it means he does not have to refute Krugman's argument.  That is right out of 'Forsensic Debate 101.'  It does not matter what someone says, if you don't like them, what they say is either completely false and/or irrelevent.


And BTW, and I should not have to say this ... They exact inverse is also true. [/sarcasm]

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 12:11PM #8
Jasr
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Mar 27, 2012 -- 11:35AM, loveontheair wrote:


Krugman make me vomit--is that good enough?


Soros is a master of Disguise.





It's good enough to tell me that Krugman causes you cognitive dissonance, and that you believe in the bogeyman.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 12:31PM #9
catboxer
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This is nothing short of a takeover of government at the state level by a monied oligarchy.


From the Krugman piece.


Many ALEC-drafted bills pursue standard conservative goals: union-busting, undermining environmental protection, tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. ALEC seems, however, to have a special interest in privatization — that is, on turning the provision of public services, from schools to prisons, over to for-profit corporations. And some of the most prominent beneficiaries of privatization, such as the online education company K12 Inc. and the prison operator Corrections Corporation of America, are, not surprisingly, very much involved with the organization.

What this tells us, in turn, is that ALEC’s claim to stand for limited government and free markets is deeply misleading. To a large extent the organization seeks not limited government but privatized government, in which corporations get their profits from taxpayer dollars, dollars steered their way by friendly politicians. In short, ALEC isn’t so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism.


This is opinion of course, but bolstered by facts.


I know. Facts are stupid things.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 27, 2012 - 12:58PM #10
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This is what you get, when a party (the right wing) considers ignorance a virtue. You support government take over by corporations, because the progressives and the intelligent have stated it is unconstitutional.


So we have to support anything the progressive and the liberals are against. The right wing is all about voting against their own best interest. Just to hurt the people they hate. I have come to realise the right wing is not about issues, it is about hate and revenge.


And if hurting themselves while hurting someone else, well. At least they got to hurt someone. Their (generic, right wing, conservative, republican)  prime directive, is to cause harm. At all cost.


We learn this by reading forums on this site alone. Unfortunately

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