Marine Sgt. Gary Stein started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party to encourage fellow service members to exercise their free speech rights. He declared a few weeks ago that he would not follow the unlawful orders of the commander in chief. Stein also criticized Defense Secretary Leon Panetta for his comments on Syria.


HE is a marine and a tea partier  and I just clicked like on his facebook page , what's this world coming to, but when a person is right,they are right, you shouldn't have to give up your constitutional rights when you pledge to serve and uphold the constitution.


I know there will be people at this forum will disagree , they will mumble someting about military blah, blah, blah, but like that Oldsmobile commercial this isn't your father's military anymore. 

www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57402088/ma...
 

Mar 23, 2012 -- 10:14AM, Do_unto_others wrote:

Re: " He declared a few weeks ago that he would not follow the unlawful orders of the commander in chief."

 

Is this that birther a-hole?

 

Did he show HOW or WHY the Commander-in-Chief's orders are "unlawful", apart from his idiotic 'belief' that The President is not an American?

 

How did the idiots get this much influence in America?

According to the article, he's specifically talking about this instance:

Stein said his statement was part of an online debate about NATO allowing U.S. troops to be tried for the Quran burnings in Afghanistan.

In that context, he said, he was stating that he would not follow orders from the president if those orders included detaining U.S. citizens, disarming them or doing anything else that he believes would violate their constitutional rights.

It sounds like he's referring to the NDAA, which gives the administration, any CIC, and the military the right to detain US citizens without charges and without due process.

Either way, he was in violation of the rules of his job and he should be willing to accept punishment for breaking them.

Mar 24, 2012 -- 12:15PM, ted08721 wrote:

Mar 23, 2012 -- 1:18PM, Unworthyone wrote:

I, like every other veteran, know that when we put on the uniform, we submit to the authority of the UCMJ.  Under that document, there is no right to freedom of speech.

Under the UCMJ, if one invokes the clause regarding 'lawful orders' the burden is on the soldier, marine, sailor, or airman who makes the claim that an order is 'not lawful'.  He will have an opportunity to make his case during his court martial.  Failure to make the case before a panel of career officers will result in discipline.

But does that not include to support the constitution and defend the country from enemies both foreign and domestic?

A message to every police officer and soldier

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV0pl9yiURY&feat...

The chain of obedience

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NcLNoxiPBk

Disobeying orders in the U.S. military because one believes the president is 'not really' the president, is without a doubt, the stupidest move ever made.  This marine will be disciplined.  You can bet on it.

The fact is, this marine has never actually received a direct order from Obama.  He has, however, received orders from officers and NCOs in his chain of command.  Unless, he proves that every one of them has no authority to issue lawful orders to him (like that is going to happen), he will receive a 'less than honorable discharge.' Personally, I would like to see him serve some time in Ft. Leavenworth as well.

It is one thing to let these birther nutjobs wander free in society, but we cannot tolerate them infiltrating our military.