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2 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 2:52PM #1
rocketjsquirell
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I could not agree more. Incitement to violence, ends with violence. Spreading untrue allegations leads the lies to be believed. It is way past time to end the incitement to violence against Israelis and Jews. It is time that the Palestinian "authorities", started taking responsibility for itself and the messages it sends out.
 
Time to End the Incitement Against Israel

It’s entirely possible that the Toulouse shooter Muhammed Merah never saw the picture posted by UN worker and Palestinian activist Khulood Badawi on Twitter. It’s possible that he never heard of Twitter at all, or any of the previous instances of false images against Israel that spread like wildfire across the Internet.

We don’t know exactly what triggered his inexplicable violence.

But we do know that three Jewish children, and a rabbi were brutally murdered to avenge the deaths of Palestinian children.

And we know the attack in France took place one week after pro-Palestinian activists were caught spreading false images, including a particularly evocative photo of a bleeding girl in her father’s arms. The girl, it turns out, was killed in an accident, not by Israel.

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We have seen how direct incitement can spill over into heartrending violence against Jewish children. Almost exactly one year ago, Palestinian terrorists killed five members of the Fogel family in their own home. The youngest was two months old.

At the time, Prime Minster Binyamin Netanyahu blamed the Palestinian glorification of terrorists for creating an environment that could lead to murder. “A society that permits such wild incitement ends up prompting the murder of children,” he said.
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Just this week, in a sign that the misinformation had seeped into mainstream discourse in Europe, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton appeared to equate the shooting at the Jewish school in France with the deaths of children in Gaza, as though Israeli troops callously opened fire on Gaza children.
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So as we recover from the shock of the massacre in Toulouse, we need to ensure that there are no more victims of incitement. Take action by making governments and the media aware of the direct link between incitement and the potential for violent acts of hatred. Campaign to ensure that hate speech is recognized and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Educate so that it never takes another horrific act such as in Toulouse to show the correlation between what people see, read, hear and what, ultimately, they may do.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 3:05PM #2
rocketjsquirell
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Rubin - The True Perpetrators of The Antisemitic Attacks in Toulouse and Throughout the World

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There is no real soul-searching, no true effort to do better, no serious examination about how the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hysteria is paving the way to murder and potentially genocide.

The street thugs, fanatics, and mentally twisted may be pulling the trigger but the distinguished, the powerful, and the honored are providing the ammunition.
. . .
1. The Turkish editor

Meet Mahir Zeynalov, an editor at Today’s Zaman, a Turkish Islamic newspaper that is supposedly moderate. Meet the modern art of tweeting. Here is Zeynalov’s response to the murders:
"Gunmen attack Jewish school in France, vandals attack Jewish cemetery in Poland, Jews burn mosques and Quran in Tunisia. What's wrong?"
There are two ways to read this tweet. The more outrageous is this: How can it be wrong for gunmen to murder Jewish children or vandals attack a Jewish cemetery in Poland if Jews are burning mosques and Qurans in Tunisia. One act balances the other.

The other interpretation is this: What a world in which there is so much hatred! Gunmen murder Jewish children, vandals attack a Jewish cemetery, and Jews desecrate mosques and Muslim holy books.

Yet the second interpretation is almost as inciting to violence as the first.
. . .
Tunisian Jews today are a couple of thousand terrified people who would run in the other direction if they saw a Koran in front of them lest they be accused of looking at it funny. What Zeyanlov has done is called a “blood libel,” a lie that might lead to the murder of Jews.

Now if some Muslim were to take seriously Zeyanlov’s tweet he would feel justified in murdering Jews, say children standing in front of their school.

2.  The Dutch cartoonist

Here is a cartoon that has just run. It shows Geert Wilders, leader of the conservative party that is very critical of Islam, getting loads of cash from a hidden hand that is clearly referring to Jews or Israel. Yes, the cartoon was written with a Hebrew text balloon, helpfully translated into Dutch as Wilder saying, “Thank you very much.”
. . .

3. Europe’s Foreign Minister

. . .

She is now the EU’s foreign minister. In response to the Toulouse shooting she has issued a statement here that spends more time reciting the sufferings of children in the Gaza Strip than about antisemitism and the demonization of Jews and Israel.
Left out is the fact that Gaza is ruled by an organization Hamas that is openly antisemitic, openly preaches genocide, frequently has carried out terrorist attacks against Israelis and Jews, and then glorifies those who did the murders. Remember that the only reason Hamas can rule Gaza is that Israel voluntarily withdrew from the territory in a gesture intended to promote peace, something Ashton and much of the Western media and governmental elites usually don’t mention.

. . .

Thus, Jewish children are deliberately murdered by a terrorist in the midst of France. In response come get the formal statements and the crocodile tears. Yet at the exact same time as the bullets are entering the children’s bodies, as the victims fall to the ground, as the ambulance sirens sound, the incitement and the lies and the slanders continue, laying the groundwork for more hatred and more murder.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 5:21AM #3
CharikIeia
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Abusing the tragic events in Toulouse to foster anti-European prejudice is a shame.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 7:03AM #4
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Mar 22, 2012 -- 5:21AM, CharikIeia wrote:


Abusing the tragic events in Toulouse to foster anti-European prejudice is a shame.




The problem is "Europe"gave us the the "pogrom". "Europe" has been killing Jews for centuries, longer than Hitler was a twinkle in his Daddy's eye


Nothing really new here.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 9:07AM #5
Miraj
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Chari's right about the crass opportunism in this thread.  Europe and the politics of Palestine can hardly be blamed for the acts of crazy people willing to kill random strangers in France.  Al Qaeda, the hate group that this nutcase claims to belong to, kills indiscriminately.  


In fact, in addition to the innocent Jews who were murdered, two Muslims and a Carribean man were also killed in his rampage.  What do they have to do with Palestine, a Turkish editor, a Dutch cartoon or a foreign minister?


Nothing beyond paranoia, myopia and poor choices in interpretation.  


There are families hurting because of this guy.  Others around them are trying to exploit their loss and pain to make political hay.  Shame on them!


Mar 21, 2012 -- 3:05PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Rubin - The True Perpetrators of The Antisemitic Attacks in Toulouse and Throughout the World

. . .
There is no real soul-searching, no true effort to do better, no serious examination about how the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hysteria is paving the way to murder and potentially genocide.

The street thugs, fanatics, and mentally twisted may be pulling the trigger but the distinguished, the powerful, and the honored are providing the ammunition.
. . .
1. The Turkish editor

Meet Mahir Zeynalov, an editor at Today’s Zaman, a Turkish Islamic newspaper that is supposedly moderate. Meet the modern art of tweeting. Here is Zeynalov’s response to the murders:
"Gunmen attack Jewish school in France, vandals attack Jewish cemetery in Poland, Jews burn mosques and Quran in Tunisia. What's wrong?"
There are two ways to read this tweet. The more outrageous is this: How can it be wrong for gunmen to murder Jewish children or vandals attack a Jewish cemetery in Poland if Jews are burning mosques and Qurans in Tunisia. One act balances the other.

The other interpretation is this: What a world in which there is so much hatred! Gunmen murder Jewish children, vandals attack a Jewish cemetery, and Jews desecrate mosques and Muslim holy books.

Yet the second interpretation is almost as inciting to violence as the first.
. . .
Tunisian Jews today are a couple of thousand terrified people who would run in the other direction if they saw a Koran in front of them lest they be accused of looking at it funny. What Zeyanlov has done is called a “blood libel,” a lie that might lead to the murder of Jews.

Now if some Muslim were to take seriously Zeyanlov’s tweet he would feel justified in murdering Jews, say children standing in front of their school.

2.  The Dutch cartoonist

Here is a cartoon that has just run. It shows Geert Wilders, leader of the conservative party that is very critical of Islam, getting loads of cash from a hidden hand that is clearly referring to Jews or Israel. Yes, the cartoon was written with a Hebrew text balloon, helpfully translated into Dutch as Wilder saying, “Thank you very much.”
. . .

3. Europe’s Foreign Minister

. . .

She is now the EU’s foreign minister. In response to the Toulouse shooting she has issued a statement here that spends more time reciting the sufferings of children in the Gaza Strip than about antisemitism and the demonization of Jews and Israel.
Left out is the fact that Gaza is ruled by an organization Hamas that is openly antisemitic, openly preaches genocide, frequently has carried out terrorist attacks against Israelis and Jews, and then glorifies those who did the murders. Remember that the only reason Hamas can rule Gaza is that Israel voluntarily withdrew from the territory in a gesture intended to promote peace, something Ashton and much of the Western media and governmental elites usually don’t mention.

. . .

Thus, Jewish children are deliberately murdered by a terrorist in the midst of France. In response come get the formal statements and the crocodile tears. Yet at the exact same time as the bullets are entering the children’s bodies, as the victims fall to the ground, as the ambulance sirens sound, the incitement and the lies and the slanders continue, laying the groundwork for more hatred and more murder.

full article:
pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2012/03/21/the-tr...





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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 9:14AM #6
CharikIeia
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Mar 22, 2012 -- 7:03AM, platoonleader wrote:


Nothing really new here.



Oh, it certainly is a new development to have anti-European Blockwart watchdogs, and a worldwide author collective participating in the writing of the Protocols of the Elders of Europe.

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 9:53AM #7
rocketjsquirell
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Chari and Miraj


Sadly, Europe and Europeans have been aiding those who incite violence against Israel, Israelis and Jews for years. This is done through biased news reporting, political posturing and blatant hypocrisy, support of terrorists and terrorist movements - both directly and indirectly, by promoting false analogies and fake equivalence, and by the failure to speak out against those who call for violence, terrorism, and genocide.  (For an example of European craveness and cooperation in the promotion of falsehood, false equivalence etc..., you may wish to look to the recent comments by Ms. Ashton, which were removed from this forum as somehow not being related to the Middle East)


However, the thrust of the articles are directed not at Europe but at the Arab world which has brought incitement to violence and indoctrination of hate to a level unseen since the fall of the 3rd Reich. 


Recent events provide us an opportunity to examine what has gone wrong and how to correct it. I would submit that ending the popular sport of demonization and de-legitimization of Israel, Israelis, and Jews in the media, in public discourse, and by political "activist" groups claiming the moral authority of humanitarians would be a good place to start. I also happen to think that ending the demonization of others, would be helpful. Fortunately, the "anti" campaigns - if such exist - against other peoples, groups, nations, and religions do not seem to have had the same effect. Perhaps they can be ended before they do.


By the way, Miraj, the murderer of the French/Israeli school children and the father of two of them sited the Palestinian cause as the motivating factor behind his actions. You might wish to review all those clips from Memri which show Arab politicians and religious figures calling for the killing of Jews and the duty to do so, in order to understand how and why the murderer acted as he did.


   



 

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 10:02AM #8
CharikIeia
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Mar 22, 2012 -- 9:53AM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Sadly, Europe and Europeans have been aiding those who incite violence against Israel, Israelis and Jews for years. 



Germany has recently blessed the Israeli navy with yet another most modern submarine, capable of launching nukes. Ehud Barak personally came to Germany to secure that deal.


It's the sixth submarine sponsoring of its kind, and stands in a long tradition of financial and military aid Germany has been paying to Israel ever since the country came into existence.


But why talk about the elephant in the room when there's a fly whose shit you can complain about?

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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 10:03AM #9
rocketjsquirell
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FYI


Ashton's dangerous comparison


This week, Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s foreign policy chief, compared the murder in Toulouse to the murder of children in Gaza. Child-killer Mohammed Merah said Wednesday during his negotiations with the police over turning himself in to the authorities that he had indeed committed the heinous crime – shot three children at close range – to avenge the deaths of children in Gaza. It is hard to believe, but just look at the similarity between the remarks made by a European foreign minister and an al-Qaida linked Jihadist.


Ashton can make excuses until she is blue in the face, saying that her words were misconstrued – she said the words. She made that unthinkable connection that only a despicable disgusting murderer could make, and did make.


True, Ashton only made a comparison while Mohammed Merah committed murder, and there is an enormous difference. But Ashton’s remarks were dangerous. Not only is she a foreign policy chief, she is also a senior representative of one of the four members of the Quartet, which strives to mediate fairly between Israel and the Palestinians.


. . .


Many in France hoped that the extreme radical Right was behind the Ozar Hatorah school shooting, and not a jihadi who interprets the Quran in his own way. But what can we do? It was a young man of Algerian descent who saw a connection between killing children in Toulouse and the goings on in Gaza.


An EU foreign policy chief who sounds like an al-Qaida operative is not such a good thing. Feel free, Ms. Ashton, to learn a lesson from this.


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2 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 10:07AM #10
rocketjsquirell
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Chari


Did anyone say all Europeans?


Wake up and smell the coffee. Or turn on the BBC, France24, etc.... or read the Dutch press (you still live in Netherlands right?) and you will see, hear, and read the problem.  Or you could read the words of Lady Ashton and much of the rest of the European political class.

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