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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 11:57AM #1
Bodean
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It is the same old story.
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/new...


Democrats are blasting it, because it has the audacity to reform our future Government Subsidized Existence, and many of the "buy off " programs Democrats have put in place to bribe the electorate so they stay in power.  Democrats would prefer to keep on spending like druken sailors, but tax the "rich" to pay for it. [code word for keep on borrowing money until we default]

Ryan issued a statement on it all.  It's time for the electorate to decide what our future will be ... one of a promising tomorrow .. or one that is assurred to end in bankruptcy.  

Me personally, I think the Ryan Plan is a great platform to build upon.  Not saying all of it should be allowed to stand .. I haven't read it all .. but it is a good base to build on.

What are your thoughts?       
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:17PM #2
TENAC
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I'm a huge PRyan fan.  It's a great start, as was his last budget.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:27PM #3
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I want to see more before deciding. I like the two rate tax structure, but think it should probably be three rates. I also want to see where the breakdown for the 10% is and where the 25% rate starts. I also don't approve of that move if ALL tax breaks and loopholes aren't removed.


I like that he's adjusted his Medicare plan to allow seniors to stay on Medicare, which I think is the right move. He's right that something has to change in Medicare as the CBO is predicting an increase in enrollees and a 50% per enrollee cost increase.


I also won't support any budget that has cuts to all of the programs designed to help those that need help and no cuts to our defense spending, which so far, is what Ryan wants to do. Any real budget should have cuts to both.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:29PM #4
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It's dead on arrival.


Anybody who thinks the country will passively accept the dismantling of the New Deal has got to be nuts.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:35PM #5
Bodean
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Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:27PM, Girlchristian wrote:


I want to see more before deciding. I like the two rate tax structure, but think it should probably be three rates. I also want to see where the breakdown for the 10% is and where the 25% rate starts. I also don't approve of that move if ALL tax breaks and loopholes aren't removed.


I like that he's adjusted his Medicare plan to allow seniors to stay on Medicare, which I think is the right move. He's right that something has to change in Medicare as the CBO is predicting an increase in enrollees and a 50% per enrollee cost increase.


I also won't support any budget that has cuts to all of the programs designed to help those that need help and no cuts to our defense spending, which so far, is what Ryan wants to do. Any real budget should have cuts to both.





I like that it does away with the tax shelters and loopholes .. but as you said, we won't know to what extent until the details come out.


As far as spending cuts ... Ryan is right to focus on the ever increasing budget items.  Defense is something that the Government can easily control with regards to the budget.  SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, are programs that progessively increase in budget regardless of what the Government does. 


IOW ... there is "no reform" than need be done on Defense Spending ... just cut it. It's totally up to the sitting congress and executive.  In contrast, you MUST reform social programs in order to reign in their costs, as their increase demand is contingent on the platform of the program.


GC .. does that make sense?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:48PM #6
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Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:35PM, Bodean wrote:


As far as spending cuts ... Ryan is right to focus on the ever increasing budget items.  Defense is something that the Government can easily control with regards to the budget.  SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, are programs that progessively increase in budget regardless of what the Government does. 


IOW ... there is "no reform" than need be done on Defense Spending ... just cut it. It's totally up to the sitting congress and executive.  




There is a lot more inertia at play in defense than what you are describing. You don't just cut out a whole weapon system out of budget expediency; there are manufacturing contracts to be honored. And what about programs to help physically and mentally injured veterans? There will be a lot of them  for a generation.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:52PM #7
Jasr
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Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:27PM, Girlchristian wrote:


I like that he's adjusted his Medicare plan to allow seniors to stay on Medicare, which I think is the right move. He's right that something has to change in Medicare as the CBO is predicting an increase in enrollees and a 50% per enrollee cost increase.





It's certainly very magnanimous of him to "let" seniors stay on Medicare this time around. They will be able to "choose" between current coverage and vouchers to buy private plans. Of course since Ryan also proposed repealing Obamacare there will be no prohibition on cherry picking, so the insurance companies will simply refuse to cover the older and sicker patients whether they have vouchers or not. The insurance companies can profit and the taxpayers will still be paying for very ill seniors.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 12:56PM #8
Girlchristian
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Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:35PM, Bodean wrote:


Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:27PM, Girlchristian wrote:


I want to see more before deciding. I like the two rate tax structure, but think it should probably be three rates. I also want to see where the breakdown for the 10% is and where the 25% rate starts. I also don't approve of that move if ALL tax breaks and loopholes aren't removed.


I like that he's adjusted his Medicare plan to allow seniors to stay on Medicare, which I think is the right move. He's right that something has to change in Medicare as the CBO is predicting an increase in enrollees and a 50% per enrollee cost increase.


I also won't support any budget that has cuts to all of the programs designed to help those that need help and no cuts to our defense spending, which so far, is what Ryan wants to do. Any real budget should have cuts to both.





I like that it does away with the tax shelters and loopholes .. but as you said, we won't know to what extent until the details come out.


As far as spending cuts ... Ryan is right to focus on the ever increasing budget items.  Defense is something that the Government can easily control with regards to the budget.  SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, are programs that progessively increase in budget regardless of what the Government does. 


IOW ... there is "no reform" than need be done on Defense Spending ... just cut it. It's totally up to the sitting congress and executive.  In contrast, you MUST reform social programs in order to reign in their costs, as their increase demand is contingent on the platform of the program.


GC .. does that make sense?




It makes sense. I was reacting to this from the LA Times article on his budget.


Ryan’s budget dismantles the Pentagon spending cuts required under the accord reached between Congress and the White House, shifting the cuts to other domestic accounts. Both parties have balked over the 10% reduction in defense spending mandated in January, but Republicans have been particularly intent on halting that reduction.


www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-paul...


 

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 1:38PM #9
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Defense is something that the Government can easily control with regards to the budget.


Why don't they, then? I mean, if it's so easy and all.


This is the essence of Republican ideology made manifest: more defense spending, more and bigger tax breaks for the well off and corporations; any spending that benefits ordinary people is on the block.


Obscenity that, and obscenity them. I obscenity in the milk of thy unmentionable. (Hemingway)


I'd say "Vote Democratic," except that if we do we'll get the Republican agenda anyway, since half the Democratic Party (at least) has been bought off.


Nothing to do but take to the streets.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 4:03PM #10
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Mar 21, 2012 -- 12:27PM, Girlchristian wrote:


I want to see more before deciding. I like the two rate tax structure, but think it should probably be three rates. I also want to see where the breakdown for the 10% is and where the 25% rate starts. I also don't approve of that move if ALL tax breaks and loopholes aren't removed.


I like that he's adjusted his Medicare plan to allow seniors to stay on Medicare, which I think is the right move. He's right that something has to change in Medicare as the CBO is predicting an increase in enrollees and a 50% per enrollee cost increase.


I also won't support any budget that has cuts to all of the programs designed to help those that need help and no cuts to our defense spending, which so far, is what Ryan wants to do. Any real budget should have cuts to both.




+1...particularly to the sections I highlight above. If they were serious about this being anything that had a chance in hell of passing, these two things would be included.

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