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Switch to Forum Live View In the face of terror there are no Israelis and no French, Jews and non-Jews, we are all human being
6 years ago  ::  Mar 20, 2012 - 8:53PM #11
CharikIeia
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Right, but the question was whether Israeli ministers always (or "invariably") accompanied the corpses of dead foreigners back to their countries of origin, like minister Juppé did now, which was deemed "important"...


I don't know and I didn't find anything upon simple googling.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 20, 2012 - 10:30PM #12
arielg
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Mar 20, 2012 --  1:09PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

That the French Foreign Minister would make such a gesture is important, in the face of terror there are no Israelis and no French, Jews and non-Jews, we are all human beings



If one truly believed that and lived according to that insight, one would not rationalize and justify brutalities commited against others in the name of one's race, country or ideology. They are all acts of terrorism.


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6 years ago  ::  Mar 20, 2012 - 11:36PM #13
rocketjsquirell
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Keeping up with developments

    Wednesday, March 21, 2012
    Adar 27, 5772
    5:31 am IST
     
Plane transferring slain Toulouse victims to land in Israel in one hour
Sarkozy lauds courage of mourning families; head of inquiry says ‘determined’ killer may strike again soon

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Speaking at a press conference, Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins — head of the inquiry into the Toulouse murders — said, “We’re up against an extremely determined individual who knows he’s being hunted and could strike again.” He noted, “This is someone who has killed every four days.”
. . .
Police suspect the killer is the same person who shot three French Paratroopers in the city last week, as well as another man who sold him a motorbike.
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full article:
www.timesofisrael.com/sarkozy-lauds-fami...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 20, 2012 - 11:51PM #14
rocketjsquirell
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And lets place France in context

ADL: 24% of French harbor anti-Semitic attitudes
By JPOST.COM STAFF
03/20/2012 22:25
Levels of anti-Semitism up in 9 out of 10 European countries, poll shows; nearly half those polled believe Jews more loyal to Israel.

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Nearly a quarter of French citizens still show anti-Semitic attitudes, the Anti-Defamation League revealed in a new poll published on Tuesday
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In addition, 45% of respondents said violence against European Jews was based on "anti-Jewish feelings," rather than anti-Israeli sentiment, an increase from 39% in 2009.

ADL executive director Abraham H. Foxman commented on the findings, saying that "Those increases are all the more disturbing in light of the shooting attack at the Jewish school in Toulouse."
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The most anti-Semitic country was Hungary, the ADl found, with 63% of the population expressing anti-Semitic sentiments as compared with 47% in 2009.

Spain also showed high marks, with over half the population (53%) showing "deep-seated anti-Semitic attitudes." Poland hovered at 48%, the same as in 2009.

The UK and Germany showed the lowest levels of anti-Semitism, at 17% and 21%, respectively.

The question that resonated the most in all countries was whether European Jews were more loyal to their European state or Israel. In none of the 10 countries did less than 45% of respondents believe Jews were more loyal to their European country, with as many as 72% in Spain and 61% in Poland and Italy questioning Jewish allegiance.

full article:
www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Art...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 3:34AM #15
CharikIeia
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... & this morning, news agencies tell us that the French police have cornered a 24 year old suspect who barricaded himself in an apartment - seemingly an al Qaeda inspired guy.


Let's hope this is over soon, and really over...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 2:33PM #16
rocketjsquirell
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update

'Toulouse gunman shows no remorse'

French authorities say psychological profiling of prime suspect in Toulouse Jewish school shooting suggests he has history of violence, mental illness
"He regrets nothing. He wishes he had a chance to kill more people – bring France down to its knees" – that is how French Prosecutor Francois Molins described Mohammed Merah, a Muslim Frenchman, who is the prime suspect in several terror attacks in the country.
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He refuses to surrender to authorities and his home has been the scene of a dramatic standoff with police since 2 am Wednesday.

full article:
www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-42061...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 21, 2012 - 3:06PM #17
rocketjsquirell
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Rubin - The True Perpetrators of The Antisemitic Attacks in Toulouse and Throughout the World

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There is no real soul-searching, no true effort to do better, no serious examination about how the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hysteria is paving the way to murder and potentially genocide.

The street thugs, fanatics, and mentally twisted may be pulling the trigger but the distinguished, the powerful, and the honored are providing the ammunition.
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1. The Turkish editor

Meet Mahir Zeynalov, an editor at Today’s Zaman, a Turkish Islamic newspaper that is supposedly moderate. Meet the modern art of tweeting. Here is Zeynalov’s response to the murders:
"Gunmen attack Jewish school in France, vandals attack Jewish cemetery in Poland, Jews burn mosques and Quran in Tunisia. What's wrong?"
There are two ways to read this tweet. The more outrageous is this: How can it be wrong for gunmen to murder Jewish children or vandals attack a Jewish cemetery in Poland if Jews are burning mosques and Qurans in Tunisia. One act balances the other.

The other interpretation is this: What a world in which there is so much hatred! Gunmen murder Jewish children, vandals attack a Jewish cemetery, and Jews desecrate mosques and Muslim holy books.

Yet the second interpretation is almost as inciting to violence as the first.
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Tunisian Jews today are a couple of thousand terrified people who would run in the other direction if they saw a Koran in front of them lest they be accused of looking at it funny. What Zeyanlov has done is called a “blood libel,” a lie that might lead to the murder of Jews.

Now if some Muslim were to take seriously Zeyanlov’s tweet he would feel justified in murdering Jews, say children standing in front of their school.

2.  The Dutch cartoonist

Here is a cartoon that has just run. It shows Geert Wilders, leader of the conservative party that is very critical of Islam, getting loads of cash from a hidden hand that is clearly referring to Jews or Israel. Yes, the cartoon was written with a Hebrew text balloon, helpfully translated into Dutch as Wilder saying, “Thank you very much.”
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3. Europe’s Foreign Minister

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She is now the EU’s foreign minister. In response to the Toulouse shooting she has issued a statement here that spends more time reciting the sufferings of children in the Gaza Strip than about antisemitism and the demonization of Jews and Israel.
Left out is the fact that Gaza is ruled by an organization Hamas that is openly antisemitic, openly preaches genocide, frequently has carried out terrorist attacks against Israelis and Jews, and then glorifies those who did the murders. Remember that the only reason Hamas can rule Gaza is that Israel voluntarily withdrew from the territory in a gesture intended to promote peace, something Ashton and much of the Western media and governmental elites usually don’t mention.

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Thus, Jewish children are deliberately murdered by a terrorist in the midst of France. In response come get the formal statements and the crocodile tears. Yet at the exact same time as the bullets are entering the children’s bodies, as the victims fall to the ground, as the ambulance sirens sound, the incitement and the lies and the slanders continue, laying the groundwork for more hatred and more murder.

full article:
pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2012/03/21/the-tr...

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 5:08AM #18
CharikIeia
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To abuse this tragic event to foster anti-European prejudice is a shame.

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6 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 10:52AM #19
rocketjsquirell
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To pretend that European attitudes did not contribute to this trajedy and do not contribute to trajedies like ths is unforgivable.


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6 years ago  ::  Mar 22, 2012 - 11:14AM #20
teilhard
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The Fact that the "Jihadist" Guy specifically intentionally went after -- and murdered -- "Jews" -- including CHILDREN(!!!) indicates that and WHY there MUST be a JEWISH State of Israel ...

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