Mar 18, 2012 -- 7:01PM, platoonleader wrote:

Mar 18, 2012 -- 5:32PM, CharikIeia wrote:

Bibi is hardly representative for Israel when he bullies like he did:

“Netanyahu and his government have to stop these hysterical analogies with Iran,” said Kadima party leader Tzipi Livni, adding that they were making Israel, not Iran, the focus of the world’s worries. Channel Two political correspondent Rina Matzliach said that while harping on the Holocaust was a sure winner with AIPAC, it “didn’t help the prime minister overseas, and caused a certain discomfort among the public here.”

It's always good to hear voices of reason.

It is always humorous to read the posts of some contributors.

Other contributors make us have less pleasant feelings.

It really helps to know something about what you are writing about

In this case, it would have been a plus to realise that the 'voice of reason' comment explicitly referred to Tzipi Livni & Rina Matzliach, not Larry Derfner or Uri Avneri. But yes, when comprehensive reading skills are lacking, you can try compensating it by showing even more disdain. Welcome back!

Oh, and what was actually being asked was for the Allies to bomb the *railroad tracks* leading to Auschwitz - in hopes of disrupting the Nazi extermination system.

As the war went on, people kept coming to the Allies and begging them to disrupt the operation of the death camps - which was what Auschwitz was, Extermination Central.   That's what else Dos has failed to understand.  Auschwitz was the end of the line.

Dos, I don't understand your 'shocked' and so forth.  Perhaps if you could explain what you think was so heinous about people trying to get the Allies to disrupt the extermination apparatus of Nazi Germany?

Obviously the death camps weren't part of anything associated with "normal" warfare - but then the Nazis weren't prosecuting a 'normal' war!   Was Auschwitz' railroad station a legitimate MILITARY  target?  You betcha!

Let's try again:  If you are so certain it was 'playing GOD' to ask for bombing Auschwitz - then just WHAT do you think those people *should* have been asking for? 

I'm just trying to understand what's got you so upset here.

Mar 18, 2012 -- 6:55PM, Roodog wrote:

Mar 18, 2012 -- 4:14PM, BDboy wrote:

Mar 18, 2012 -- 8:46AM, LeahOne wrote:

Dos, a fact is a fact.  The attitude of 'State' - the US State Dep't - towards Jewish people during WW2 is well-documented.  Basically 'State' officials made it their 'policy' to drag their feet enforcing US Law about rescuing the *relatives of US citizens* from the Nazis - because of their own prejudices.

As to the 'gratitude' you think Jews/Zionists should express:  we are AMERICANS whose goverrment conspired with other governments (W.Europe & Russia!) to let our relatives be murdered in so many horrible ways and couldn't even be bothered to let them have a quick death instead of torture & starvation.

The allegations are TRUE, and the 'shame' is on the US State Dep't.

Oh, and when you provide your 'source' - is it going to be some 'anonymous' web page on a free hosting site which was only put together in the past day? 

 

>>>>>>>> You are right Leah. The US initially even refused to accept boats full of Jews from Europe and sent them back to death and destruction during WWll. Parts of US government and big US corporations also worked with Nazis at some levels.

However since then US turned it around and became "Israel outside of Israel" for Jews. Still promoting and protecting Jews and Jewish interests pretty much "Bending over backwards" and sending aids (Arms, technology, $$ grants etc) every year. So It would be nice if people consider both sides when talking about America.

Therefore showing gratitude does not take anything away .

For example, there are plenty of American Muslims who actively take part in American life at the same time protested immoral war against Iraq (Thankfully many leading Jewish American stood by Muslims at that time). But when it comes to America, they became parts of America and 100% dedicated to America.

In fact this is a difference between a country like USA and India or China. Classically USA allowed peaceful protests of any policies. Respect for "Differences of opinions" makes America strong and unique at the same time.

At the same time many American Muslims helplessly watch American troops killing many innocent families and relatives of them in different parts of the world. 

Despite having such horrible experiences I sadly noticed many leading Jewish intellectuals devoted a lot of time and resources to promote hate against Islam and Muslims in America. When I look over history of Jewish people and how they were persecuted (Just for being Jew!) it is disturbing to watch them engaging in these campaigns in 21st century.

I sincerely hope when our causes are just, we can stand united to protect innocent unarmed people all over the world. No need to go through another war or halocaust to know how bad it is....

Shalom!

I do not think hatred of Arabs and Muslims in America were as much stirred up by Jewish intellectuals as it was by 19 relatively insignificant Arab men who perpetrated the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York  and Washington.

>>>>>> I understand where you are coming from. I read about a survey right after 9-11 about how average Americnas felt about Muslims. Similar surverys were conducted afterwards as well.

Amazingly less people had "Negetive opinion" about Muslims right after 9-11 than what an 3-4 year old survey reveled. Which shows that, hate machines are doing their job.

As far as "Relatively insignifucant arabs" are concern, they are dead!!

I cannot blame Americans to have bad feelings about Muslims. Just imagine how arabs feel about America when they see half a MILLION people died for NO good reason, since then.

I mean they look very tolerant if you take these deaths into consideration. The ongoing Palestine issue is another one Arabs are not to happy about.

Guess all people have reasons to have "Feeling" about others. How we react to it defines who we are.....

Leah wrote:

OK, now I think I understand:

Dos:  Your last post telegraphs that you have utterly NO comprehension of how different Auschwitz was from any 'prison'.   The idiotic and asinine exercise of 'making comparisons' to even the Soviet Gulag is an epic fail.

No, Leah, you do NOT understand. Soviet Gulag and Auschwitz? You  managed nicely  to put these two togather I just don't know why. Not for my benefit for I know better.

If you weren't such a fan of David Irving's *fiction* then perhaps you might be able to comprehend there IS no comparison.

He must an amazing man. I didn't know all these things about him, or me, and I don't know what does he have to do with US refusing to bomb prisoners? 

And incidentally, the "comparison" itself is a filthy lying slander in itself.  You are actually seeking to suggest that the US and -I assume Israel, though the PA/HAMAS are more like it! - are operating as did the Nazis.  While simultaneously supporting Holocaust denial .....  a fascinating combination but no less false and repellent for all that.

I have had plenty of 'filthy lying slander' (your words) against me so can handle it.  I don't know what you assume, you assume to much.

I was defending the US for making a decent decision not to bomb innocent prisoners, where you thought they should have listened to Jewish requests and bomb the people. That's a long long way from comparing them to Nazis. False and repellent, to use your words.