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1 year ago  ::  Mar 03, 2012 - 11:37PM #1
solfeggio
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That, evidently, is what the US State Department thinks of New Zealand.

news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8429470/us-a...

US Intelligence Stratfor analysts' opinions of my country have appeared in emails recently released by hackers to WikiLeaks, and those comments are certainly not anything like what Hillary Clinton said of our country when she was here a little over a year ago.

So, what, exactly, is Stratfor?

www.stratfor.com/

Well, I'll tell you, if that company represents the American government's true feelings about my country and its people, then I'm not just pissed off but bloody insulted.      

    
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 12:18AM #2
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And you should be.   But remember, America doesn't have friends, it has "interests" it's just a couple of rich, pudgy, white-guy blowhards from a "think tank".  As long as NZ, and I'd assume Australia provide some bodies for the "Coalition of the Willing" A-OK.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 12:22AM #3
mountain_man
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:37PM, solfeggio wrote:

That, evidently, is what the US State Department thinks of New Zealand.


Who cares? You really didn't believe that NZ was any kind of a global super power did you?

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 2:14AM #4
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Solf, don't confuse liking a country's people with being able to depend on them. I don't know any American who has been to New Zealand who does not really like your country. But I also don't know anyone in our armed forces who depends on New Zealand for any meaningful, military assistance. And our navy's problem calling on New Zealand ports with nuclear weapons on board is certainly an issue. But that is NOT a criticism. New Zealand is entitled to decide for itself what kind, if any, international commitments or alliances to make.


As Rabello said, countries have 'interests'. It has always been that way and always will be.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 9:10AM #5
Ken
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:37PM, solfeggio wrote:

That, evidently, is what the US State Department thinks of New Zealand.  


Stratfor is a private company. It is not part of the US State Department.

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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 12:54PM #6
BDboy
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Mar 3, 2012 -- 11:37PM, solfeggio wrote:

That, evidently, is what the US State Department thinks of New Zealand.

news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8429470/us-a...

US Intelligence Stratfor analysts' opinions of my country have appeared in emails recently released by hackers to WikiLeaks, and those comments are certainly not anything like what Hillary Clinton said of our country when she was here a little over a year ago.

So, what, exactly, is Stratfor?

www.stratfor.com/

Well, I'll tell you, if that company represents the American government's true feelings about my country and its people, then I'm not just pissed off but bloody insulted.      

    



 


>>>>>>>> Either way New Zealand is not a significant military force but a very NICE country. You should be proud that, unlike UK it stood it's ground  when policy making is concern. Before war in Iraq over 80% of UK population were against that war but it's "Democratic" leadership decided to join the unneccessary war. We all know how that worked out.


Tomorrow if you find an oil feild, most American companies will be your "NEW best friend" and praise everything you do.


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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 6:51PM #7
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 12:18AM, rabello wrote:


And you should be.   But remember, America doesn't have friends, it has "interests" it's just a couple of rich, pudgy, white-guy blowhards from a "think tank".  As long as NZ, and I'd assume Australia provide some bodies for the "Coalition of the Willing" A-OK.





For the record, many Americans hate what America does to and in other countries.  We are helpless to do anything about it.  I'd say we don't have a democracy here anymore.  I'm sure to get flack for that statement.  
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 7:00PM #8
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 6:51PM, christine3 wrote:


 I'm sure to get flack for that statement.  



A little semi-off-topic teaching from the odd European...


It's written "flak" and is an abbreviation of the German Fliegerabwehrkanone, anti-aircraft gun. It's what many British and Americans had to take when visiting my country ~seventy years ago for enacting US foreign policy.

tl;dr
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 7:40PM #9
christine3
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 7:00PM, CharikIeia wrote:


Mar 4, 2012 -- 6:51PM, christine3 wrote:


 I'm sure to get flack for that statement.  



A little semi-off-topic teaching from the odd European...


It's written "flak" and is an abbreviation of the German Fliegerabwehrkanone, anti-aircraft gun. It's what many British and Americans had to take when visiting my country ~seventy years ago for enacting US foreign policy.





Oh, thanks.
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1 year ago  ::  Mar 04, 2012 - 8:09PM #10
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Mar 4, 2012 -- 7:00PM, CharikIeia wrote:


Mar 4, 2012 -- 6:51PM, christine3 wrote:


 I'm sure to get flack for that statement.  



A little semi-off-topic teaching from the odd European...


It's written "flak" and is an abbreviation of the German Fliegerabwehrkanone, anti-aircraft gun. It's what many British and Americans had to take when visiting my country ~seventy years ago for enacting US foreign policy.




 


In response you your country’s foreign policy initiated on September 1, 1939 and  further articulated  on December 8 1941 and some of his domestic policies.  Heil, mein Führer

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