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3 years ago  ::  Feb 27, 2012 - 11:47PM #161
rabello
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Feb 27, 2012 -- 2:54PM, teilhard wrote:


It WOULD have been FAR better  FOR  THEM  had they not done so, and/or had they arrested ObL after 9-11-2001 and extradicted him for Trial ... But THEY  chose a different Course for themselves ...




As if it was "The People of Afghanistan" who did that.


Do you think it was Afghan women who couldn't even walk outside without being covered head to foot and without a male escort who "chose" that "Course"?  Or children who couldn't play music or fly kites who "chose" that "Course"?  Or crippled old men who "chose" that "Course"?


Like I said, you callously blame them for their circumstance, and I certainly will never agree with such an inhumane and harsh indictment of other people.  If you can't see that from your own writing, then you just can't (or won't) see it. 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:06AM #162
teilhard
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Neither do I imagine that the Secretaries working in The World Trade Center, with their Babies and Toddlers in on-Premises Child Care "chose" THEIR Fate ... nor did the innocent Women and Children on those hijacked Airliners "choose" their Fate ...


Feb 27, 2012 -- 11:47PM, rabello wrote:


Feb 27, 2012 -- 2:54PM, teilhard wrote:


It WOULD have been FAR better  FOR  THEM  had they not done so, and/or had they arrested ObL after 9-11-2001 and extradicted him for Trial ... But THEY  chose a different Course for themselves ...




As if it was "The People of Afghanistan" who did that.


Do you think it was Afghan women who couldn't even walk outside without being covered head to foot and without a male escort who "chose" that "Course"?  Or children who couldn't play music or fly kites who "chose" that "Course"?  Or crippled old men who "chose" that "Course"?


Like I said, you callously blame them for their circumstance, and I certainly will never agree with such an inhumane and harsh indictment of other people.  If you can't see that from your own writing, then you just can't (or won't) see it. 





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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:06AM #163
rabello
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Feb 27, 2012 -- 6:49PM, Erey wrote:


We could have let Afghanistan rot in thier 8th century fantasies indefinately - it would have been their problem.  UNTIL they allowed themselves to be financed and bought by Al Queda to create an effective enclave to run their global terror opperations.




Well, it wasn't the "People of Afghanistan" who were "rotting in 8th century fantasies" during the Russian occupation or during the civil war that broke out afterwards.  It wasn't the "People of Afghanistan" who "allowed themselves" to be "bought" by al Queda.   It was the Taliban who won that civil war, with weapons provided by the United States, and after killing scores of people in civil war, enacted horribly abusive practices that put the "People of Afghanistan" into overt oppression.  That's because the Taliban won the civil war, partly because "the West", most specifically the US, turned its back on the "People of Afghanistan" even after arming them with weapon used against our troops now.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:10AM #164
teilhard
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Yes, it was terribly unfortunate that The People of Afghanistan ALLOWED The Taliban to abuse them and to harbor Al Qaida ... One HOPES that after American-NATO Withdrawal, they will NOT again permit themselves to be thus oppressed ...


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:06AM, rabello wrote:


Feb 27, 2012 -- 6:49PM, Erey wrote:


We could have let Afghanistan rot in thier 8th century fantasies indefinately - it would have been their problem.  UNTIL they allowed themselves to be financed and bought by Al Queda to create an effective enclave to run their global terror opperations.




Well, it wasn't the "People of Afghanistan" who were "rotting in 8th century fantasies" during the Russian occupation or during the civil war that broke out afterwards.  It wasn't the "People of Afghanistan" who "allowed themselves" to be "bought" by al Queda.   It was the Taliban who won that civil war, with weapons provided by the United States, and after killing scores of people in civil war, enacted horribly abusive practices that put the "People of Afghanistan" into overt oppression.  That's because the Taliban won the civil war, partly because "the West", most specifically the US, turned its back on the "People of Afghanistan" even after arming them with weapon used against our troops now.





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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:17AM #165
rabello
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:06AM, teilhard wrote:


Neither do I imagine that the Secretaries working in The World Trade Center, with their Babies and Toddlers in on-Premises Child Care "chose" THEIR Fate ... nor did the innocent Women and Children on those hijacked Airliners "choose" their Fate ...




I imagine the same is true for the Americans who were blown to bits in the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, by a fellow American


Did you know that proportionately, more children died in the Oklahoma City bombing?  That's because they had a day care center inside it.   How quickly we forget.


Put the blame for 9/11 where it belongs: on 19 criminals and comparatively few murderous extremists who are willing to kill in order to achieve a goal -- NOT Afghan women, children, babies, unborn babies, and crippled old men.  Those people ARE. NOT. GUILTY. no matter how much you try to indict them.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:21AM #166
teilhard
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Indeed, The American-NATO Invasion of Afghanistan post 9-11 was assisted -- significantly -- by "The Northern Alliance," which was a NATIVE Afghan Resistance Movement ...


For sure, the Situation in Afghanistan -- then and now -- was not and is not SIMPLE ...


But THAT is an entirely DIFFERENT Question than our Internationally Recognized Right of Self Defense ...


And ... yes ... Tim McVeigh was arrested and tried and sentenced and executed for The Oklahoma City Bombing, while his co-Conspirator, Terry Nichols, rots in Prison ... (I guess in YOUR View of these Matters, a more appropriate Response to those Crimes would have been to just wait passively patiently to see if we could catch them In-The-Act NEXT Time ... ???) ...


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:17AM, rabello wrote:


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:06AM, teilhard wrote:


Neither do I imagine that the Secretaries working in The World Trade Center, with their Babies and Toddlers in on-Premises Child Care "chose" THEIR Fate ... nor did the innocent Women and Children on those hijacked Airliners "choose" their Fate ...




I imagine the same is true for the Americans who were blown to bits in the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, by a fellow American


Did you know that proportionately, more children died in the Oklahoma City bombing?  That's because they had a day care center inside it.   How quickly we forget.


Put the blame for 9/11 where it belongs: on 19 criminals and comparatively few murderous extremists who are willing to kill in order to achieve a goal -- NOT Afghan women, children, babies, unborn babies, and crippled old men.  Those people ARE. NOT. GUILTY. no matter how much you try to indict them.


Your lack of regard for the long-suffering "People of Afghansistan\ undercuts your compassion for the 9/11 victims, as far as I'm concerned.  That and the fact that the Oklahoma City bombing inspires no such rage in you.





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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:24AM #167
rabello
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Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:10AM, teilhard wrote:


Yes, it was terribly unfortunate that The People of Afghanistan ALLOWED The Taliban to abuse them and to harbor Al Qaida ... One HOPES that after American-NATO Withdrawal, they will NOT again permit themselves to be thus oppressed ...




As if it was "The People of Afghanistan" who did that.



Do you think it was Afghan women who couldn't even walk outside without being covered head to foot and without a male escort who "chose" that "Course"?  Or children who couldn't play music or fly kites who "chose" that "Course"?  Or crippled old men who "chose" that "Course"?



Like I said, you callously blame them for their circumstance, and I certainly will never agree with such an inhumane and harsh indictment of other people.  If you can't see that from your own writing, then you just can't (or won't) see it. 


Your views are so incredibly harsh and so incredibly unjust that they are, in a word, unrealistic.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:27AM #168
teilhard
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No ... I think The Taliban were "incredibly harsh" and "incredibly unjust" in their Oppression of Afghanistan, which included their intentional Harboring and Fostering of Al Qaida ...


But ... You think The People of Afghanistan would be BETTER off today if The Taliban had NOT been removed from (some of their) Power post 9-11 ... ???  Really ... ???


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:24AM, rabello wrote:


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:10AM, teilhard wrote:


Yes, it was terribly unfortunate that The People of Afghanistan ALLOWED The Taliban to abuse them and to harbor Al Qaida ... One HOPES that after American-NATO Withdrawal, they will NOT again permit themselves to be thus oppressed ...




As if it was "The People of Afghanistan" who did that.



Do you think it was Afghan women who couldn't even walk outside without being covered head to foot and without a male escort who "chose" that "Course"?  Or children who couldn't play music or fly kites who "chose" that "Course"?  Or crippled old men who "chose" that "Course"?



Like I said, you callously blame them for their circumstance, and I certainly will never agree with such an inhumane and harsh indictment of other people.  If you can't see that from your own writing, then you just can't (or won't) see it. 


Your views are so incredibly harsh and so incredibly unjust that they are, in a word, unrealistic.





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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:30AM #169
Mlyons619
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ASo are we saying we should've left Nazi Germany alone, based on that sort of reasoning?


Wrong.


Again, the Government of Afghanistan, whicih, as far as the World was concerned, represented the PEOPLE of Afghanistan, acted in the interests of a terrorist outfit instead of the people, and provided said terrorist outfit a safe haven to hide after committing its outrage. 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 28, 2012 - 12:32AM #170
teilhard
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Who are WE to judge another Nation and People, eh ... ???


Feb 28, 2012 -- 12:30AM, Mlyons619 wrote:


ASo are we saying we should've left Nazi Germany alone, based on that sort of reasoning?


Wrong.


Again, the Government of Afghanistan, whicih, as far as the World was concerned, represented the PEOPLE of Afghanistan, acted in the interests of a terrorist outfit instead of the people, and provided said terrorist outfit a safe haven to hide after committing its outrage. 





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