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6 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2012 - 4:02PM #1
Miraj
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Unhappy Valentine’s Day in Israel


A racist Israeli law divides married Palestinian couples; Jewish couples are exempt




The law explicitly discriminates on the basis of race.  Notwithstanding this fact, the Israeli Supreme Court of Justice earlier this year rejected a final appeal against the law. As a result, my wife could well be denied the right to live with me, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship, and our two children in my hometown of Akka.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2012 - 4:36PM #2
Dostojevsky
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Miraj, can't the other members of the family take on Israeli citizenship?

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 15, 2012 - 10:20PM #3
rangerken
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The law certainly does seem to be discrimination, but it isn't 'racist' at all. Palestinians are not a race. Jews are not a race.


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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 4:28AM #4
habesor
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Miraj,


When Tayseer has no problem pledging allegiance to the flag of the Jewish State of Israel, come back to me about his complaint.


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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 5:25AM #5
Miraj
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Feb 16, 2012 -- 4:28AM, habesor wrote:


Miraj,


When Tayseer has no problem pledging allegiance to the flag of the Jewish State of Israel, come back to me about his complaint.


Habesor 




The farce about Israel being a democracy with respect for non-Jews is once again confirmed.




But, we already knew that.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 5:37AM #6
shmuelgoldstein
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Feb 15, 2012 -- 4:02PM, Miraj wrote:


Unhappy Valentine’s Day in Israel


An Israeli law divides married Arab couples; Jewish couples are exempt







There is no reason why Israel should admit people as residents who are not going to be loyal to the state, and may very well be enemies, and act as such. Some Jews (some in the haredi population mainly) may not be enamored of the State of Israel, but they do not act as its enemies.


This law does NOT apply to members of the Druze community in the Carmel vis-a-vis those in the Golan. And that's because they are loyal to the State of Israel and do not act as its enemy.


IMO, were the Yesha Arab partner be willing to sign, in public, a loyalty statement to the State of Israel, then I would have no problem supporting a law allowing that person to be a resident of Israel.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 6:51AM #7
habesor
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Miraj,


You are the one who insists that an Arab Christian or Muslim does not want to pledge allegiance to the Israeli State. I think that you are factually incorrect on this but your position on this is quite clear. Now you are telling me that you are upset because Israel does not extend residency rights to someone who, you argue, will not take an oath of allegiance to the State. 


Miraj, tell you what. Get Tayseer and his wife to move to the USA and see if they can get citizenship without taking an oath of allegiance to the USA. Let's see if they can retain residency if they state that it is impossible for them ever to be loyal to the USA. I guess that makes the USA a fake democracy. 


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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 8:56AM #8
SherriMunnerlyn
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Feb 15, 2012 -- 10:20PM, rangerken wrote:


The law certainly does seem to be discrimination, but it isn't 'racist' at all. Palestinians are not a race. Jews are not a race.


Ken





Ken,


Prejudice is prejudice, and laws that treat people differently because of their ethnicity are as prejudicial and discriminatory and racist as laws that treat people differently because of the color of their skin, and every bit as objectionable as laws that discriminate specifically on the basis of race. I am reminded here of intl laws, such as laws regarding Apartheid,  that define racism as including this other discrimination.


So, it is not incorrect to call these practices racist practices, as intl authorities do, which is exactly what they are.


Here is a definition of racial discrimination from the UN:


"any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life."


United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination


Here is an interesting point, the definition does not distinquish between discrimination based on ethnicity and race, in part because the distinction between the two remains debatable by anthropologists.


en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_of_aparthe...


 


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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:39AM #9
ffb
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Sherri, a question if I might.


Based on the definition you posted (which as it is used to define "racism" is, I think, an example of sloppy thinking and loose linguistics...):


 "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life."


So any organization which affords college grants and has race/skin color as part of it's decision process is racist? What about being the child of a Veteran (descent) and getting advantages through that? Racist?


And doesn't this mean that the notion of any nation's citizenship should eliminated? The US deprives people of equal footing based on their country of origin! The right to education, to vote, to certain aspects of health care are all limited to American citizens (or at least legal residents). And don't get me started on age-ism! 18 to vote and 35 to be president? WHY? The political aspect of public life should be a freedom afforded to all.


Funny how a statement which negates national origin should come from a group so inherently tied to the idea of distinct nations.

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6 years ago  ::  Feb 16, 2012 - 9:52AM #10
SherriMunnerlyn
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Feb 16, 2012 -- 4:28AM, habesor wrote:


Miraj,


When Tayseer has no problem pledging allegiance to the flag of the Jewish State of Israel, come back to me about his complaint.


Habesor 




Habesor,


This is not an issue about anyone refusing to swear allegience to the State of Israel. The man is an Israeli citizen, but he is a nonJewish citizen, meaning he is discriminated against, he is subjected to racist practices and laws.


This is about racist Israeli laws and practices against Palestinians, as Jews are exempt from this  law.   


"The law explicitly discriminates on the basis of race.  Notwithstanding this fact, the Israeli Supreme Court of Justice earlier this year rejected a final appeal against the law. As a result, my wife could well be denied the right to live with me, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship, and our two children in my hometown of Akka."


"The would-be harmony of family life is further disrupted by the fact that we cannot choose to live in Jenin. According to laws introduced after the 1993 Oslo Accords, Israeli citizens are not allowed to live in or even visit Palestinian cities in Palestinian Authority-administered areas of the Occupied Territories. We, and tens of thousands of our compatriots, are caught in a truly Kafkaesque dilemma. The fear of being torn apart as a family has become a daily part of our lives."


www.salon.com/2012/02/14/unhappy_valenti...


Sherri





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