Schmuel, I'm not gonna even ask you what you've seen - or how a nice Jewish boy like you wound up seeing it, LOL!
No, this has nothing to do with 'prostitution' directly: it speaks to 'sleazy'......
Movies about Monaco and the Grand Casino notwithstanding, my single indelible impression of 'casino' comes from our trip West in '75 on $25/day (room AND board - and I swear the gas, too) driving out to Oakland to get our flight to Hawai'i (Husband was in the military). While in Nevada we availed ourselves of the lunch buffets at the casinos - 10% off for military. Lots of food, not bad stuff - it was a break from cereal and PBJ's
And that is the first time I saw a man hit a woman.
He was drunk and gambling the rent money....she didn't even cry out, as though she was used to it.
And nobody around them reacted much at all...nobody came over to talk to her, or tried to distract the man. Nothing. : ((
"At Wednesday’s meeting, Tzippi Nachshon-Glick, director of Services for Adults and Young Adults at Risk in the Ministry of Welfare and Social Affairs, also spoke about the existing government program to help rehabilitate women looking to leave the sex industry.
What about those women who prefer staying in the sex business?
I guess *they* won't need any help.
The "sex industry" such as it is, here in Israel, from what I have heard and even sometimes seen, is pretty sleazy. There is a major "ew" factor here. In the U.S. it's less sleazy, and I don't know about Europe, although I have a feeling it's much more open and above board.
I don't care about prostitution as such. I do care about the exploitation of young women, minors, and what is called' sex slavery'. In order to address that there needs to be some law that applies. As far as consenting adults doing as they wish with their bodies I believe that is first, their business and second, none of any government's.
I agree. The alternative to criminalisation would be regulation of the sex industry by law, imposing health and employment standards like in any other industry. This is the way Germany, the Netherlands, and several other European nations have gone.
Here is a chart illustrating the different approaches. Israel would - with the new law - be coloured like Sweden, Norway and Iceland; now it would be coloured like France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Poland, etc.
Somebody here said France had introduced similar measures as Sweden, as planned for Israel. I am not aware of this and would appreciate information.
BUT, there are related abusses that do need to be addressed, and there does have to be a legal mechanism to do it.
More bluntly, if my daughter decided to become a sex worker I'd be very, very dissappointed BUT, if it was her own, free choice I'd with a much grace as possible accept it. However if she was coerced into it I'd go 'hunting'! Ken
Sure. Coercion must be eliminated. The main question is, do you achieve it by driving the industry into illegality? One can argue that such a move basically empowers criminals and pimps. In France, this seems to have been the result of the 2003 "loi Sarkozy II" outlawing passive solicitation, i.e., street prostitution.
Or can indeed the demand for such services be reduced? Does anyone here think so?
“The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity” - Abraham Lincoln.
KSai - Here is an enducational link about prophesy and prophets in Judaism. I consider it AN 'authoritative' answer to your questions - not 'THE' authoritative answer because it's never that simple, lol. And there can be different reasons for the same thing..... www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm
I never heard the one about the prostitute and the starving dog. Maybe you'd like to tell it?
I see you are referring to the Jewish criteria of a Prophet, I spoke from an Islamic perspective.
As for the parable the story goes:
Muhammad is said to have told the parable a prostitute who had seen a thirsty dog hanging about a well and given it water to drink and that God forgave all her sins because of that good deed.
I think we can all agree that this is a good law for Israel to pass.
Right?
I am missing your libertarian voice here. Where is it?
Why do you think prostitution should be illegal as a business to begin with?
I don't care about prostitution as such. I do care about the exploitation of young women, minors, and what is called' sex slavery'. In order to address that there needs to be some law that applies. As far as consenting adults doing as they wish with their bodies I believe that is first, their business and second, none of any government's. BUT, there are related abusses that do need to be addressed, and there does have to be a legal mechanism to do it.
More bluntly, if my daughter decided to become a sex worker I'd be very, very dissappointed BUT, if it was her own, free choice I'd with a much grace as possible accept it. However if she was coerced into it I'd go 'hunting'!
Ken
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
"At Wednesday’s meeting, Tzippi Nachshon-Glick, director of Services for Adults and Young Adults at Risk in the Ministry of Welfare and Social Affairs, also spoke about the existing government program to help rehabilitate women looking to leave the sex industry.
What about those women who prefer staying in the sex business?
Char,
Here is an example of a statute making prostitution illegal in one state in the United States, and all states in the US make prostitution illegal except for some localities in Nevada.
5-70-102: Prostitution (a) A person commits prostitution if in return for or in expectation of a fee he or she engages in or agrees or offers to engage in sexual activity with any other person.
(b) Prostitution is a:
(1) Class B misdemeanor for the first offense; and
(2) Class A misdemeanor for second and subsequent offenses
Israel has no laws like this and none are proposed. Thus, right now those 15000 women and men and children working in the sex trade, 5000 under the age of 18, do so completely within the law.
I, for one, believe prostitution should be illegal for all of these participants in it, including the 5000 children working in it.
If this law is passed in Israel, soliciting sex services will be unlawful but performing sex services for money will continue to be 100% legal, including, presumably, for the children working in that business.
As for your specific question, I guess those women working in this business will be completely free to continue doing so. And I guess they will continue to be exploited and most of them will continue to die before they reach the age of 40, as well.
"At Wednesday’s meeting, Tzippi Nachshon-Glick, director of Services for Adults and Young Adults at Risk in the Ministry of Welfare and Social Affairs, also spoke about the existing government program to help rehabilitate women looking to leave the sex industry.
What about those women who prefer staying in the sex business?
“The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity” - Abraham Lincoln.
Bill passes first reading in Knesset plenum, to be forwarded to parliamentary c'tee for adjustments before becoming law.
"A bill that will make paying for sex services a criminal offense passed its preliminary reading in the Knesset plenum on Wednesday and will be forwarded to one of the parliamentary committees for further review and adjustments before becoming law."
And some of the concerns by some groups, about what will happen to the 15000 woman currently working in the sex trade business, are being addressed, as well.
"At Wednesday’s meeting, Tzippi Nachshon-Glick, director of Services for Adults and Young Adults at Risk in the Ministry of Welfare and Social Affairs, also spoke about the existing government program to help rehabilitate women looking to leave the sex industry.
Nachshon-Glick said that the program, which was initiated by the government in 2006 and receives up to NIS 10 million a year for shelters and rehabilitation programs in Haifa and Tel Aviv, will soon be expanded to Beersheba and Eilat."
Schmuel, it's a funny thing how you and I can be so different, yet come to the same realization when viewing the same situation.
Miraj is correct, these laws are not particularly effective. I read somewhere that it does help if the newspapers publish the police blotter for such arrests, giving full names and addresses. Perhaps if we also enabled people to get a 'no fault, no holds barred' divorce (= whatever the offended partner wants) as a result of any such conviction, it would help?
It's a bit like trying to deal with drug addiction: you want to punish the pushers, but to help the addicts( well, I do - maybe others don't) So if women are prostituting themselves for money, the society needs to help them find other ways to make a living. The reason I brought in the article about Egyptian prostitutes was that it shows how women have adapted to the restrictions of their society.
