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4 months ago ::
Feb 16, 2012 - 4:41PM
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I thought you had a history background but did not rermember for sure. I am also Texas Education agency certified to Teach Social Studies (history)6-12 grades I am also a hobbyist history buff. I do not let my politics and opinion override facts. There are many social, political, historical things that I do not like or agree with but my saying something differently does not correct(to my thinking) prevent, or change. .
“I[seldom]make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 11:17PM
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...Mlyons is (Ithink) is interested in History as a hobby and may have some academic studies in history...
I teach special education but I also have a history degree and am also credentialed to teach history/social sciences in high school, so it is a little bit more than just a hobby for me. Now ya know...
"No freedom without education" --Thomas Jefferson
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 9:41PM
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Perhaps we should listen to the misaligned but theologically correct Rev Jeremiah Wright. Also, maybe those who live by the sword, die by the sword. Whether it come from some western Religious thought, some eastern religion, philosophy or by observation of human behavior, there are basic truths. Florida 2000 Presidential election results: G.W. Bush 2,912 790 , Al Gore 2,912, 253. How did the Supremes disenfranchise Florida voter when won the popular vote? My, or yours or anybody else’s preference or opinion does not cancel out facts. I would have preferred Gore but Bush won. I did not like the war in Iraq but Congress authorized it so it was legal. Congress has the power to declare war but can autaahrze mility /’;Naval action without formal declaration of war. Thomas Jefferson and the 8th U congress set the precedence “Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed American vessels to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify." Authorization to take acts of war. Mlyons leans conservative , I lean Liberal, Mlyons is (Ithink) is interested in History as a hobby and may have some academic studies in history. For over 20 years I have been researching* the Vietnam war and in process how and why the US has waged war from the beginning as a country. Mlyons an I may approach politics from opposite sides but we both agree that facts and History , precedence, out way a biased based opinion. Please John David express your opinion but realize that when you twist facts and ignore reality no one will take you seriously
- I have written two books , one professional journal article and two other published articles on aspects of the Vietnam war.
“I[seldom]make the mistake of arguing with people for whose opinions I have no respect.” Edward Gibbon
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 8:57PM
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After sixty years of appellate judges ruling in favor of a UOFA and the Supreme Court declining to rule on the issue DOES make it legal, though "right," morally speaking, is subjective.
"No freedom without education" --Thomas Jefferson
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 4:33PM
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In the same way that the Supremes disenfranchised the voters of Florida by prematurely declaring Bush the winner there, when Gore won the most votes, the President disenfranchises the voters when he declares war by fiat, by use of force, rather than allowing Congress to declare war as the Constitution declares such should happen. That they get away with it because they can always find a judge to approve, and another to quash any challenge, does not make it right.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 3:07PM
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Your response makes no sense. A Presidential succession has been established. Congress votes the User of Force which the President uses, so, in essence, the War Clause has been followed. Your arguments on legal precedence flies in the face of the Rule of Law in this country since its founding.
"No freedom without education" --Thomas Jefferson
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 12:26PM
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Such is no more "Constitutional doctrine" than allowing the Supremes to appoint a President: it is merely what one branch of gov't. gets away with until the rule of law is established. When admin./exec. and justice collude to deny Congress its' power of declaring war, such is justice denied, not rule of law. It may be "how things go at present" and thus set a precedent, but a system of graft, theft and slaughter does not mean that such is what the Constitution established, nor that it is rule of law. One does not kill people just because others have gotten away with it, because such has precedence; etc.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 11:52AM
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… According to mlyons' logic, if one does something different and pretends that it is the same as what is required, it is legal as long as you can get away with it and until another branch of government calls you on it. However, a declaration of war is exactly that; whereas a "use of force" is notably different. Unfortunately, it requires intelligence to note the difference...
Perhaps then you should’ve paid more attention in school, because what you call "my logic" is actually what has been accepted Constitutional doctrine for the last 62 years. Legally, it’s called precedence, and until the highest court in the land rules otherwise (which BTW it is unlikely to do seeing it has had all sorts of opportunities over the same 62 years), then it’s constitutional.
Sorry, johndavid23, but repeating a lie over and over does not make it true, nor does insulting the person who corrects you make the lie true either…
"No freedom without education" --Thomas Jefferson
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4 months ago ::
Feb 15, 2012 - 10:02AM
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According to mlyons' logic, if one does something different and pretends that it is the same as what is required, it is legal as long as you can get away with it and until another branch of government calls you on it. However, a declaration of war is exactly that; whereas a "use of force" is notably different. Unfortunately, it requires intelligence to note the difference.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 14, 2012 - 11:29PM
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In a word -- BUKLL$#!#!!
#1 Congress passed a Use of Force Authorization. #2 The Supreme Court has not yet heard any case that makes a UOFA unconstitutional. #3 Until such a ruling is made, the UOFA constitutes laweful authority for the President to send troops to Afghanistan. This has been brought up many many times on many many threads and it obviously has failed to sink in. I can't help deliberate willful ignorance... 
"No freedom without education" --Thomas Jefferson
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