Being neither an Israeli nor a Palestinian...obviously...and neither Jewish nor muslim...also obviously...my definition of a Palestinian Moderate is one who...
1. Wants a peaceful settlement resulting in a Palestinian stare next to Israel...or
2. Wants a paceful settlement resulting in a single state...but also...
3. Totally rejects Hamas and Hezbollah, and also Iran's call for the destruction of Issael.
My own preference is ror umber 1 and 3...again, being totally uninvolved personally.
Ken
PS. My Muslim neighbor would choose numbers 2 and 3...just by the way...in terms of definition. He isn't a Palestinian.
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You are certainly correct when you say that "moderate" is a relative term. As an Israeli I have specified on this thread what I mean when I use the term Palestinian moderate. What do you mean when you use that term?
Habesor
I don't use it.
"I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whomever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." ~ Malcolm X Proud supporter of the One-State Solution for Palestine
Folks, she's right. (in the interest of a civil discourse, I've removed the insults the quoted poster wrote).
Jesus, assuming he did exist, was a Palestinian Jew.
So was Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, So was Bar-Kochba, so was Rabban Gamliel.
Shmuel, I do not know what you are talking about. Assuming Jsus did exist and exist at the time everyone assumes he did, did not call hiimself a "Palestinian." Certainly none of the gospel writers did.
Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi did not call himself a Palestinian. Neither did Bar Kochva, Rabban Gamliel or any of the other Jews of the time.
The Jews didn't call themselves Palestinians. The Christians didn't call themselves Palestinians. And the Roman (before Hadrian) didn't call the Jews Palestinians. So I am missing why you think they were Palestinian Jews or Palestinians in any form.
I might be a Palestinian Jew. Some folks seem to think so.
"I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whomever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." ~ Malcolm X Proud supporter of the One-State Solution for Palestine
You are certainly correct when you say that "moderate" is a relative term. As an Israeli I have specified on this thread what I mean when I use the term Palestinian moderate. What do you mean when you use that term?
You have no idea what Golda implied on the basis of a sentence extracted from its context. As for the misquote about a land without people, you can read all about it at:
Please provide citations for your quotes. It would be nice to know which phoney baloney website you are usuing.
Everyone - THERE ARE NO PALESTINIAN MODERATES and this is why:
There is still No Recognition Of Israel By Abbas or Fatah or the PA or any "Palestinian Moderates" No recognition of Israel as the Jewish state means no recognition of Israel, and continued denial of the existence and rights of the Jewish people. (Something Israel is always accused of doing with regard to the Palestinians - which is nonsense - but the Arabs are good at projection)
Abbas: We Won’t Recognize Israel as a Jewish State
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas said that the PA will not meet Israel’s demand that it recognize Israel as the Jewish State, Kol Yisrael radio reported.
According to the report, Abbas explained this statement using the reasoning that once that the PA agrees to this requirement, there would be no value to the million and a half PA Arabs living in Israel, and no refugee would be allowed to come back to Israel, in keeping with the PA demand that Israel allow millions of Arab refugees to return to their old homes in Israeli cities as part of a future agreement.
. . .
Abbas has claimed the agreement does not contradict with the peace process, but at the same time has continued to present Israel with preconditions for peace talks, as he has done for almost three years since Netanyahu took office.
While Fatah is often considered the “moderate” of the two factions, Fatah official Nabil Shaath said last week the new interim PA government “need not recognize Israel.”
“It is the PLO, not the PA, that recognizes Israel,” [ It doesn't but they like to pretend that it does, The closest the PLO has gotten is to say that some time in the future it will recognize Israel, maybe ] Shaath insisted in an interview with the Hamas-affiliated Arabic-language Al Quds, in an attempt to justify forming a unity government with Hamas, which continues to call for Israel’s destruction.
Shaath’s statements run counter to clear conditions set by the Quartet for Middle East Peace – the European Union, Russia, United Nations, and United States – for Hamas to be included in a PA government. . . .
Most Israelis will agree that there are Palestinians now. The argument is about whether or not there was a national identity among Palestinians as Palestinians before 1964. Golda's comment about there not being Palestinians (which oddly enough, I heard her say during an interview, though I didn't know at the time how significant it would become) referred to when she first arrived in the country several decades before and was conveying the fact that among the Palestinian Arabs such a national identity didn't exist
Incorrect.
Golda Meir implied that Palestinians as a people not solely a national identity didn't exist as a Jewish supremacy argument.
This is incorrect on two accounts, the British Mandate of Palestine operated as a Nation-State in terms of inhabitants including Turks, Greeks, Armenians, Arabs and Jews.
Secondly Golda Meir was of the demagogic Zionist lie started by Herzl - Palestine was a land without a people.
Folks, she's right. (in the interest of a civil discourse, I've removed the insults the quoted poster wrote).
Jesus, assuming he did exist, was a Palestinian Jew.
So was Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi, So was Bar-Kochba, so was Rabban Gamliel.
Shmuel, I do not know what you are talking about. Assuming Jsus did exist and exist at the time everyone assumes he did, did not call hiimself a "Palestinian." Certainly none of the gospel writers did.
Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi did not call himself a Palestinian. Neither did Bar Kochva, Rabban Gamliel or any of the other Jews of the time.
The Jews didn't call themselves Palestinians. The Christians didn't call themselves Palestinians. And the Roman (before Hadrian) didn't call the Jews Palestinians. So I am missing why you think they were Palestinian Jews or Palestinians in any form.
What a Palestinian "moderate" would look like to a Palestinian and what a Palestinian "moderate" would look like to a Zionist represent different agendas. Moderate is always a subjective term since it requires a comparison to two extremes and the extremes are quantifiable.
"I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whomever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." ~ Malcolm X Proud supporter of the One-State Solution for Palestine
