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3 years ago  ::  Feb 08, 2012 - 5:43PM #1
rocketjsquirell
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After pursuing anti-semitic and anti-Israel policies and promoting anti-semitism and being generally hostile to Jews for at least the last 1/2 century Norwegians are afraid that Norway might lose its Jewish population. Really? Who would have thought that could happen? 

(And Chari, this is not an attack on Europe. It is only an observation that actions have consequences) 

Norway paper afraid country losing Jews
By HERB KEINON 02/08/2012 20:47
Leading Norwegian newspaper 'Aftenposten' warns country on verge of becoming a country without Jews.

Norway's largest newspaper is afraid the country is losing its Jews.
 
"Norway is in danger of becoming a country without a Jewish population," the daily Aftenposten wrote in an editorial over the weekend, calling on the state to provide more protection for the Jews in the country who are affiliated with the two synagogues there – one in Oslo, and the other in Trondheim.

According to the paper, half of the membership fees from the Oslo synagogue go to security. That synagogue was the target of a shooting attack in 2006.

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According to Aftenposten, less than half of the country's Jews are affiliated with either of the country's two synagogues, and these congregations have lost 20 percent of their members over the last decade.

The paper put the number of Jews affiliated with the two synagogues at 819, and said "the numbers are dropping due to migration and marriage out of the community."

But, the paper wrote, some people are not affiliating because of the fear of being "visible as a Jews."  If that is true it is a sign of Norway's "bankruptcy," Aftenposten wrote, adding that the country had a responsibility to protect people subject to violence because of their religious affiliation.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2012 - 3:01PM #2
mainecaptain
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If there is anything good about this, is that they realize they are loosing a valuable part of their population.


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3 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2012 - 2:18PM #3
BDboy
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Feb 8, 2012 -- 5:43PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

After pursuing anti-semitic and anti-Israel policies and promoting anti-semitism and being generally hostile to Jews for at least the last 1/2 century Norwegians are afraid that Norway might lose its Jewish population. Really? Who would have thought that could happen? 

(And Chari, this is not an attack on Europe. It is only an observation that actions have consequences) 

Norway paper afraid country losing Jews
By HERB KEINON 02/08/2012 20:47
Leading Norwegian newspaper 'Aftenposten' warns country on verge of becoming a country without Jews.

Norway's largest newspaper is afraid the country is losing its Jews.
 
"Norway is in danger of becoming a country without a Jewish population," the daily Aftenposten wrote in an editorial over the weekend, calling on the state to provide more protection for the Jews in the country who are affiliated with the two synagogues there – one in Oslo, and the other in Trondheim.

According to the paper, half of the membership fees from the Oslo synagogue go to security. That synagogue was the target of a shooting attack in 2006.

. . .

According to Aftenposten, less than half of the country's Jews are affiliated with either of the country's two synagogues, and these congregations have lost 20 percent of their members over the last decade.

The paper put the number of Jews affiliated with the two synagogues at 819, and said "the numbers are dropping due to migration and marriage out of the community."

But, the paper wrote, some people are not affiliating because of the fear of being "visible as a Jews."  If that is true it is a sign of Norway's "bankruptcy," Aftenposten wrote, adding that the country had a responsibility to protect people subject to violence because of their religious affiliation.

full article:
www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Art...



 


>>>>>>>> It is nice to see Norwegians are realizing that, citizens of Norway who happens to be Jewish need to be protected and peaceful practice of their faith is essential to preserve democratic culture of Norway. I hope people from other religious groups (Christians, Muslims, Hindu etc) also speak up against any unjust attack on Jewish citizens of Norway.


However, I disagree to link anti-semitism with anti-Israel. Israel has many racist discriminatory policies trowards native population and that needs to be identified and (Peacefully) protested.


being treat fairly is part of fundamental human rights. We have to speak up for Jews in Norway ,people of Syria, Libya and Israel.




 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2012 - 3:40PM #4
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Neither Jews nor Palestinians are a race, so a charge of "racism" is a misnomer.  However, there has been a fair amount of discrimination that's been done by some Jews and by some Palestinians as well-- yes, plenty on both sides have been guilty. 


But let me make one thing clear, and that is that some of the Israel bashing is indeed anti-Semitic (used in this case as being anti-Jewish), and this is one reason why I prefer not to frequent the Middle Eastern forum.  Over there we see some of the same handful of people bashing Israel for the same things that all other countries do while at the same time giving anything that some of the Palestinians may do a free ride.  It's just another form of bigotry-- double standards. 


Why is there so much focus on the message boards when dealing with the Jewish Palestinian situation, and yet one sees almost nothing about the division of India that created Pakistan and, later, Bangledesh?  That's actually a far more dangerous situation, so why isn't more of the focus there?  Why is it that if we go over to the M.E. message boards now, we will see a continued parade of posts bashing Israel but far less dealing with what's happening in Syria bashing Assad?  Why is it that Israel gets blamed for retaliating against those who attack innocent civilians in Israel but then these same people ignore the fact that roughly 14,000 rockets and mortars have been fired against Israeli civilians within the last 10 years?  How does that in any way help establish peace?  How does sending suicide bombers to places where young Israelis, including some of them being Palestinian, are partying or riding a bus create peace?  I was in one of those places (a Sbarros in Jerusalem) just weeks before it got bombed, and it's a place where especially teenagers tend to hang out.  How does killing these kids establish peace?   


As yourself, I hope and pray for a peaceful solution but, unfortunately, this has been going on for such a long time that I simply am not at all optimistic.  Both sides have hardened to the point whereas compromise is going to be very difficult to achieve as we see much the same here happening in the States between Democrats and Republicans.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 11, 2012 - 9:58PM #5
Erey
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Squirell,


It is sad, when a population becomes extinct.  I do think Norway should pay attention.  However, I am unsure what they might do.


What I read is that the Jewish community is still troubled by a anti-semetic shooting that took place in 2006.  I can only imagine how upsetting that might be.  It only takes one act of sensless violence to create fear for a lifetime. 


Now Norway has jews that are marrying out (a issue  here in the US as well), uninterested in participating actively in the local jewish community (you get that everywhere), and some jews that feel too unsafe to attend synagog. 


My thought is the norwegian jewish community is just too small.  Too small to keep the young interested, to provide enough of a selection of marriage partners and perhaps to create the kind of security and sense of belonging that some people need. 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 10:22AM #6
shmuelgoldstein
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Feb 8, 2012 -- 5:43PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

After pursuing anti-semitic and anti-Israel policies and promoting anti-semitism and being generally hostile to Jews for at least the last 1/2 century Norwegians are afraid that Norway might lose its Jewish population. Really? Who would have thought that could happen? 


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full article:
www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Art...



Serves 'em right.


But in truth, Jews don't belong there anyway.


They belong in Israel.


 

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 1:38PM #7
BDboy
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 10:22AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 5:43PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

After pursuing anti-semitic and anti-Israel policies and promoting anti-semitism and being generally hostile to Jews for at least the last 1/2 century Norwegians are afraid that Norway might lose its Jewish population. Really? Who would have thought that could happen? 


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full article:
www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Art...



Serves 'em right.


But in truth, Jews don't belong there anyway.


They belong in Israel.


 




 


>>>>>> How about NYC? No choices (Israel only!)?

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 6:39PM #8
mainecaptain
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 10:22AM, shmuelgoldstein wrote:


Feb 8, 2012 -- 5:43PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:

After pursuing anti-semitic and anti-Israel policies and promoting anti-semitism and being generally hostile to Jews for at least the last 1/2 century Norwegians are afraid that Norway might lose its Jewish population. Really? Who would have thought that could happen? 


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full article:
www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Art...



Serves 'em right.


But in truth, Jews don't belong there anyway.


They belong in Israel.


 




Jewish people belong where ever the individual Jewish person says they belong

A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side. Aristotle
Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 7:02PM #9
Abner1
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Mainecaptain wrote:


> Jewish people belong where ever the individual Jewish person says they belong


I'd rather work for the day when Jews feel they belong everywhere than work for the day when Jews feel they belong only in Israel.

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3 years ago  ::  Feb 12, 2012 - 7:24PM #10
mainecaptain
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Feb 12, 2012 -- 7:02PM, Abner1 wrote:


Mainecaptain wrote:


> Jewish people belong where ever the individual Jewish person says they belong


I'd rather work for the day when Jews feel they belong everywhere than work for the day when Jews feel they belong only in Israel.




Yes I agree with that Abner.

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Never discourage anyone...who continually makes progress, no matter how slow. Plato..
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives" Jackie Robinson
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