It is ironic that the "pre-emptive war" supporters fail to recognize that they are justifying further attacks against the USA and other nations. Aren't all terrorist attacks "pre-emptive" strikes? Funny thing is that those who believe they are so right(eous) cannot imagine others also feeling that way and what the consequences are. Manning merely exposed the idiocy and duplicity of these warmongers.
Such appeared to be the logic of the "terrorists", that US Capitalism was a threat to their way of life and had to be stopped. They were paranoid of the actions of this little wealthy, warmongering nation. And they brought the nation to its' economic knees, with the help of a paranoid, warmongering administration(s).
The "pre-emptive" warmongers are paranoid, afraid of alternative perspectives/religions/people. They are anal-retentive and feel that they have to control everything, the world: thus, they maintain a military larger than the rest of the world's combined (even if it often fails/loses). Thus, they justify the largest polluter on the planet, the US military, endangering the lives of all beings by endangering our ecosystem. Paranoids usually are self-destructive.
Manning exposed the duplicity, inefficiency and murderous bloodlust of the US military. In doing so, he revealed the corruption of the military machine, documented and undeniable. He revealed more than a great historian might about the waste of resources and lives which the military machine grinds through every day. When such information changes people's behaviors, then peace becomes possible.
Wonder if Manning can use his Nobel nomination as a reference in his favor when he goes before his first parole board. Hehehehehe...
Assuming he is convicted...as I hope he will be...he'll have his chance in about 2042...maybe. I'd be 99 years old then so as a very 'senior' citizen perhaps i could write a letter opposing it and be listened to?????....LOL
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
It is ironic that the "pre-emptive war" supporters fail to recognize that they are justifying further attacks against the USA and other nations. Aren't all terrorist attacks "pre-emptive" strikes? Funny thing is that those who believe they are so right(eous) cannot imagine others also feeling that way and what the consequences are. Manning merely exposed the idiocy and duplicity of these warmongers.
Such appeared to be the logic of the "terrorists", that US Capitalism was a threat to their way of life and had to be stopped. They were paranoid of the actions of this little wealthy, warmongering nation. And they brought the nation to its' economic knees, with the help of a paranoid, warmongering administration(s).
The "pre-emptive" warmongers are paranoid, afraid of alternative perspectives/religions/people. They are anal-retentive and feel that they have to control everything, the world: thus, they maintain a military larger than the rest of the world's combined (even if it often fails/loses). Thus, they justify the largest polluter on the planet, the US military, endangering the lives of all beings by endangering our ecosystem. Paranoids usually are self-destructive.
Manning exposed the duplicity, inefficiency and murderous bloodlust of the US military. In doing so, he revealed the corruption of the military machine, documented and undeniable. He revealed more than a great historian might about the waste of resources and lives which the military machine grinds through every day. When such information changes people's behaviors, then peace becomes possible.
People believe in pre-emptive war when they live in fear "we must go over there and kill them before they come here and kill us"
Well Ted, if 'we' go 'there' and kill 'them' before 'they' can come 'here' and kill 'us', then 'they' for sure won't be coming 'here'!
Now I'm not advocating that, Ted...but sometimes it is important to recognize reality...and a dead enemy, or a dead potential enemy, isn't much of a threat...that's just reality!
Again, I am NOt advocaing anything...just stating the obvious!
And getting back to Manning...(in my Rangerken mode HINT!!!!!)... I'd like to see if anyone can justify him getting that peace prize. A lot of people have ridiculed that...including me... so how about some advocates for Manning. I obviously hope he gets convicted and put away in a small cage for thirty yeas to life.
Ken
The people/countries we are killing are not our enemy.
Yes, and Roo gave two examples of when our complacency or unwillingness to do the necessary and right thing led to incredibly horrible consequences---Lincoln before the Civil War, and FDR before the bombing of Pearl Harbor or events in Europe. When we went in late, we nearly lost. The A-bomb was available for use in 1939 and Einstein correctly urged its use. He later changed his mind, at a time when it was convenient to expunge his conscience w/o any consequences except he felt much better about himself.
I am convinced God provided us with the A-bomb, btw, and expected us to use it against horrible evil men...I say men as men cause most the troubles in the world, nu?
... sometimes it is important to recognize reality...and a dead enemy, or a dead potential enemy, isn't much of a threat ... that's just reality!
It's also reality that by proceeding this way, you exchange a threat (real or imagined) for blood on your hands, PTSD, and existential guilt (real for sure).
A society haunted by the latter is not preferable to a society haunted by the former, i.m.o.
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People believe in pre-emptive war when they live in fear "we must go over there and kill them before they come here and kill us"
Well Ted, if 'we' go 'there' and kill 'them' before 'they' can come 'here' and kill 'us', then 'they' for sure won't be coming 'here'!
Now I'm not advocating that, Ted...but sometimes it is important to recognize reality...and a dead enemy, or a dead potential enemy, isn't much of a threat...that's just reality!
Again, I am NOt advocaing anything...just stating the obvious!
And getting back to Manning...(in my Rangerken mode HINT!!!!!)... I'd like to see if anyone can justify him getting that peace prize. A lot of people have ridiculed that...including me... so how about some advocates for Manning. I obviously hope he gets convicted and put away in a small cage for thirty yeas to life.
Ken
Conservative, Libertarian, Life member of the NRA and VFW
It is ironic that the "pre-emptive war" supporters fail to recognize that they are justifying further attacks against the USA and other nations. Aren't all terrorist attacks "pre-emptive" strikes? Funny thing is that those who believe they are so right(eous) cannot imagine others also feeling that way and what the consequences are. Manning merely exposed the idiocy and duplicity of these warmongers.
It is ironic that the "pre-emptive war" supporters fail to recognize that they are justifying further attacks against the USA and other nations. Aren't all terrorist attacks "pre-emptive" strikes? Funny thing is that those who believe they are so right(eous) cannot imagine others also feeling that way and what the consequences are. Manning merely exposed the idiocy and duplicity of these warmongers.
