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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 8:13PM #61
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 8:07PM, Miraj wrote:


Feb 13, 2012 -- 8:01PM, rangerken wrote:


Well, since the Israelis are not going away, and since Israel isn't about to allow any kind of Palestinian right of return...the Israelis not being suicidal...I think we will end up seeing one of three things...


1. a two state solution due an agreement...


2. a one state solution totally due to demographics...


3. A horrific war, involving Iran and other countries, resulting in the suvivors keeping whatever land they survive on...if it is inhabitable at all.


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Why Netanyahu won't attack Iran


The prime minister isn't a belligerent man, says an opponent. He knows what destruction an attack on Iran would lead to.


By Yossi Verter

A senior member of the opposition explained this week why Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn't attack Iran: "Bibi likes to talk big but he isn't a man of belligerent action. I am not disparaging him. In both his terms [in office], he never started a war or launched showy operations or unnecessary adventures, aside from opening the Western Wall tunnel, and that's something he regrets to this day. Is he going to be all macho on Iran, of all things, when he knows how destructive this would be?


. . . 


"The price of oil will skyrocket. The Europeans will want to kill us; they won't back us. We will be completely alone. And we'll see just how the Americans will act, especially if President Barack Obama is re-elected in November.


"What will happen here? The whole region will go up in flames. Thousands of rockets will fall on Israel. In the initial days, hundreds of them will fall on Tel Aviv. Then we'll be in a war that goes on for months. The economy will crash. Tel Aviv will become a frontier town, and what will Netanyahu have to show for it? A quickly recovering Iranian nuclear project? Condemnations and boycotts? Terror attacks on Israeli targets abroad?


"After all, elections are due to be held in a year. In the wake of all that destruction, will he be re-elected? Will Likud win the people's trust again?"






I hope you're right, Miraj. Of course if Iran does develop nuclear weapons it may well not be Israel that will attack.


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 8:07PM #60
Miraj
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 8:01PM, rangerken wrote:


Well, since the Israelis are not going away, and since Israel isn't about to allow any kind of Palestinian right of return...the Israelis not being suicidal...I think we will end up seeing one of three things...


1. a two state solution due an agreement...


2. a one state solution totally due to demographics...


3. A horrific war, involving Iran and other countries, resulting in the suvivors keeping whatever land they survive on...if it is inhabitable at all.


Ken



  • Published 11:15 10.02.12
  • Latest update 11:15 10.02.12


Why Netanyahu won't attack Iran


The prime minister isn't a belligerent man, says an opponent. He knows what destruction an attack on Iran would lead to.


By Yossi Verter

A senior member of the opposition explained this week why Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wouldn't attack Iran: "Bibi likes to talk big but he isn't a man of belligerent action. I am not disparaging him. In both his terms [in office], he never started a war or launched showy operations or unnecessary adventures, aside from opening the Western Wall tunnel, and that's something he regrets to this day. Is he going to be all macho on Iran, of all things, when he knows how destructive this would be?


. . . 


"The price of oil will skyrocket. The Europeans will want to kill us; they won't back us. We will be completely alone. And we'll see just how the Americans will act, especially if President Barack Obama is re-elected in November.


"What will happen here? The whole region will go up in flames. Thousands of rockets will fall on Israel. In the initial days, hundreds of them will fall on Tel Aviv. Then we'll be in a war that goes on for months. The economy will crash. Tel Aviv will become a frontier town, and what will Netanyahu have to show for it? A quickly recovering Iranian nuclear project? Condemnations and boycotts? Terror attacks on Israeli targets abroad?


"After all, elections are due to be held in a year. In the wake of all that destruction, will he be re-elected? Will Likud win the people's trust again?"



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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 8:01PM #59
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Well, since the Israelis are not going away, and since Israel isn't about to allow any kind of Palestinian right of return...the Israelis not being suicidal...I think we will end up seeing one of three things...


1. a two state solution due an agreement...


2. a one state solution totally due to demographics...


3. A horrific war, involving Iran and other countries, resulting in the suvivors keeping whatever land they survive on...if it is inhabitable at all.


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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 7:34PM #58
Miraj
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 7:23PM, LeahOne wrote:


You mean all over the ME where over half of them used to live before they were stripped of everything and turned out......




Sure, like Rocky suggested - Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, etc.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 7:23PM #57
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You mean all over the ME where over half of them used to live before they were stripped of everything and turned out......

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 6:22PM #56
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 6:16PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


Miraj


a one state solution would work only if the Palestinains returned to Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, syria and all the other places they came from before they came to Israel  :-)


How does it feel?




It would work if the Zionists went back to Europe and all the places they came from before they invaded Palestine, too.  

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 6:16PM #55
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Miraj


a one state solution would work only if the Palestinains returned to Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, syria and all the other places they came from before they came to Israel  :-)


How does it feel?

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 6:14PM #54
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 5:44PM, rocketjsquirell wrote:


KS


the so called Palestinians have not made a single concession at anytime. they have rejected everything since they accepted over 2/3's of the Jewish National homeland for the creation of the Palestinian State of Jordan. Since then, their chant has been we want more - we want it all. You apparently have joined in.




I support a one-state solution.  Dragging out a two-state settlement means that there are more of us when the inevitable one-state happens.  Cool with me.

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 6:12PM #53
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Feb 13, 2012 -- 4:44PM, KindredSai wrote:


Let's not get into theological arguments. However I would add that Shariah just means the law derived from the Qur'an and the interpretation of the Shura or jurists, something that even moderate Muslim nations shouldn't have if they are secular.




Not really. Shari'a is divine law.  Fiqh is the law derived from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.  

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4 months ago  ::  Feb 13, 2012 - 5:44PM #52
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KS


the so called Palestinians have not made a single concession at anytime. they have rejected everything since they accepted over 2/3's of the Jewish National homeland for the creation of the Palestinian State of Jordan. Since then, their chant has been we want more - we want it all. You apparently have joined in.

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