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70th anniversary of the Wannsee Conference, minutes resurface
5 months ago  ::  Jan 14, 2012 - 12:00AM #5
Aussiesoul
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Jan 12, 2012 -- 1:19PM, Miguel_de_servet wrote:

So now it is official.

No excuse for the negationists of all flavors and nuances.

The Wannsee Conference for the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" (January 20, 1942) was not so secret that it didn't produce a document. In fact the super-efficient Adolf Eichmann, the SS high officer that was the top executive of the plan, in his zeal, had produced 30 numbered copies of the minutes of the meeting. Most were destroyed by the receivers on the list before the Allies could find them. Only one survives to this day, the no. 16. It was the copy destined for Martin Luther, Under Secretary and Foreign Office representative at the conference who, ironically was possibly one of the most fanatical Nazis, and only kept it so that he could use it against his boss, the Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.

The Plan for the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" was relative to an estimated number of 11 million Jews.

And think, dudes and dudettes, most of those Nazi officers and bureaucrats were "good family fathers" and "practicing christians" ...

MdS

Sources:
"Durchführung der Endlösung" – der Protokollfund, 11.01.2012 (original German @ welt.de)

"Implementation of the Final Solution" - the discovery protocol
(clumsy but informative Google-translation of the above)

The Wannsee protocol (English text of the Wannsee protocol, @ fcit.coedu.usf.edu)


It is a good point Miguel that many Nazi officers led double lives performing the most appalling acts of cruelty and then returning home to become gentle and devoted fathers.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 3:21PM #4
Yavanna
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Jan 12, 2012 -- 3:16PM, Ken wrote:


Jan 12, 2012 -- 2:53PM, teilhard wrote:


Rev. Fr. Prof. Dr. Martin Luther, OSA, DIED in 1546 C.E. ...



Obviously not the same Martin Luther.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_%28d...


However, his copy of the Wannsee Conference minutes was found by American investigators in 1946, so this isn't exactly a hot topic.




We could always get Jon Stewart's Time Machine.

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gloaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
- J.R.R. Tolkien
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 3:16PM #3
Ken
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Jan 12, 2012 -- 2:53PM, teilhard wrote:


Rev. Fr. Prof. Dr. Martin Luther, OSA, DIED in 1546 C.E. ...



Obviously not the same Martin Luther.


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_%28d...


However, his copy of the Wannsee Conference minutes was found by American investigators in 1946, so this isn't exactly a hot topic. I suggest it be returned to Discuss Christianity.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 2:53PM #2
teilhard
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Rev. Fr. Prof. Dr. Martin Luther, OSA, DIED in 1546 C.E. ...

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 12, 2012 - 1:19PM #1
Miguel_de_servet
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So now it is official.

No excuse for the negationists of all flavors and nuances.

The Wannsee Conference for the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" (January 20, 1942) was not so secret that it didn't produce a document. In fact the super-efficient Adolf Eichmann, the SS high officer that was the top executive of the plan, in his zeal, had produced 30 numbered copies of the minutes of the meeting. Most were destroyed by the receivers on the list before the Allies could find them. Only one survives to this day, the no. 16. It was the copy destined for Martin Luther, Under Secretary and Foreign Office representative at the conference who, ironically was possibly one of the most fanatical Nazis, and only kept it so that he could use it against his boss, the Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop.

The Plan for the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem" was relative to an estimated number of 11 million Jews.

And think, dudes and dudettes, most of those Nazi officers and bureaucrats were "good family fathers" and "practicing christians" ...

MdS

Sources:
"Durchführung der Endlösung" – der Protokollfund, 11.01.2012 (original German @ welt.de)

"Implementation of the Final Solution" - the discovery protocol
(clumsy but informative Google-translation of the above)

The Wannsee protocol (English text of the Wannsee protocol, @ fcit.coedu.usf.edu)
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